No more breasts :'(

I genuinely thought OP had got rid of their boobs before opening this thread and realising it was about something else

Wait till the Sun pulls off another PR stunt like this

I'm not criticising feminism. Feminism does aim to promote equality for both genders. I'm criticising you. You are the one that said white people and men don't face discrimination. It is people like you that turn people against feminism. You claim to be a feminist, but you're not, you're a feminazi - and the reason I don't call myself feminist. I hate being associated with people like you.

Have you worked in marketing? A very laddish culture prevails throughout the sector. It resulted in my boyfriend leaving for a job as different as you could possibly get...

Firstly I'd like to apologise for offending you. I can see that what I said probably came across wrong. I didn't actually know about Diane Abbott's comments so I looked them up, and I understand why you would find them offensive. I didn't mean to make the implications that she was clearly making, but I realise that by phrasing that part of my argument badly, it looked like that was my intention.

What I'm trying to say is that racism and sexism are both very real problems. Of course people are defined by more than their race and their gender, and it wasn't my intention to imply otherwise. What I meant to get across is that (certainly in the UK, America, Australia, etc) white people, and men, are over-represented in positions of power and have been for a long time. This means that it's harder for women and ethnic minorities to have a say in matters that affect them. I completely agree that race and/or gender should not define a person, but women, for example, are split into another "group" (as you put it) by people who discriminate against them on the sole basis of their gender - the definition of sexism.

The part of my comment that you picked out was something that I picked up from a black person writing about their experience of racism. Let's say, hypothetically, there's a planet which has inhabitants of two biologically identical species that have formed a society, except one species has blue skin and the other has green skin. Let's also say that the "blue people" occupy the majority of positions of power in the society and have constantly mistreated the "green people", saying that they're inferior, laughing at their culture, segregating them, even going as far as enslaving and murdering them with no punishment. If a blue alien says "I hate green people" and a green alien says "I hate blue people", do those two statements have the same implications? Are they caused by the same sentiments? Is one just as bad as the other? Of course, the real world is far more complex and nuanced than this, but I hope that analogy clarifies my point.

I do....and it was perhaps his firm's culture....you can't make a broad label to all marketing firms...especially when my department has largely women in it, and i'm one of few male managers in the entire firm....

Perhapse it was specifically in Leeds but it seemed to prevail in other firms as well

You're as bad as UKIP blaming ethnic minorities for the economic difficulties facing this country. Stop trying to blame every social ill as you see it on white men.

I'm sorry, but I feel that is such a white middle class male view.

let me change that post:

"I just don't get why people care? People ALWAYS only want things that benefit them and complain about stuff that doesn't. However, some people (for example, certain RACIAL EQUALITY ACTIVISTS) somehow get influenced that all their problems are caused by anything but themselves. How the heck do a few N-WORDS in a newspaper affect your life? There are just too many people in the world that just love to hate and stir arguments over STUPID things. The worse thing about is, is that some of these people are hypocrites or just plain stupid. I remember reading a comment on Youtube in a song video that went on about how some groups are always stereotyped and what not. It ended with "F Russia"....Yep, because every single Russian is homophobic, BLACK hating Putin follower?"


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