Most of the main Green policies are terrifying

It depends on the case, each case needs to be looked at an individual level by a judge and jury.

Easily


Not sure it's really that comparable. Post war there were huge debts and massive spending required to rebuild, last I cheeked half of London hasn't been flattered over the last few years

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I'll give you an example of a zero growth economy.

A company employs 10 people. Through an efficiecy saving and the introduction of better management techniques, you can do the same job with 5 people.

If you keep ten people on yiuve just expanded the economy.

If you let 5 people go to maintain a zero growth economy, there's now 5 people unemployed who will never find work elsewhere because other company's aren't growing to take them on.

But you cannot punish somebody for their thoughts. That's just ridiculous

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There are huge debts now. There is definitely spending that is required, on the NHS, on comprehensive education, on green industry and on housing. Why has this government adopted austerity policies, the opposite to what actually works? Because it doesn't work, it's just a Conservative party trying to weaken the role of the state.

When the world runs out of the resources that are the starting point for economic growth, how will it continue to grow?

Spelling mistakes aside, you sound like your advocating spending for the purpose of keeping people in employment. I would agree with this, were you trying to disagree with me?

There are huge debts now. There is definitely spending that is required, on the NHS, on comprehensive education, on green industry and on housing. Why has this government adopted austerity policies, the opposite to what actually works? Because it doesn't work, it's just a Conservative party trying to weaken the role of the state.

When the world runs out of the resources that are the starting point for economic growth, how will it continue to grow?

No, they want to criminalise people's actions instead of criminalising people's thoughts. Why are you in favour of the thought police?

Joining ISIS is an action.

It is like saying we should not have prosecuted the handful of Brits who joined the SS in WWII because in the end they didn't personally murder any Jews.

btw, do the Greens want to repeal incitement to racial and religious hatred laws? My guess is no.

But when "joining" means nothing more than expressing your support how is that anything other than a state restriction on what you're allowed to think? When joining means more than expressing support then you have an action that you can prosecute them for.

Joining what claims to be the army of what claims to be a state, and in a subordinate role no less, is wilful entry in a joint enterprise to exercise political violence. In this case, unlawful aggressive violence against states that are members of the UN and recognised by the UK as sovereign, and in opposition to British foreign policy.

It is not convincing to say that someone meant none of that merely because they happened to get caught before they could physically contribute to those actions, any more than it would be OK to plot a murder and then bleat that your right to create and share murder plans freely is being infringed.

As I said I doubt the Greens even carry this logic through consistently, they just do not think it is fundamentally immoral to support ISIS, and want to facilitate it in any way that could be publicly acceptable.

Except planning to murder someone is illegal, as is planning terror attacks. You already have the actions to prosecute there, so why is there this pressing need to criminalise not only peoples actions, but peoples thoughts as well?

The last part of your post is hilarious as well, yes the Green Party are secretly supporting ISIS

Joining a criminal enterprise is an act, not a thought. It is not illegal to express support of IS in the abstract.

The Green party do not want to be ruled by IS but they have no need to fear that because more practical people stand between them and such an outcome. They sympathise with many of IS's claims about the West.

How do you join an organisation like IS? Is there a join today section on islamicstate.co.is or something? The fact remains that if you do anything that aids or supports IS then you have committed a seperate offence and you can be punished for that.

By some of their claims you mean that they are anti-imperialist? Being anti-imperialist does not make you a supporter of IS.

If the criminal act you believe should not be criminal is impossible to commit anyway, what's the problem? It's just wiggling at this point.

All British parties are anti-imperialist. The Greens are more like the people on the far right who give Hitler salutes at their demos. Of course indeed they do not literally want Germany to have conquered Britain, destroyed its institutions, and reduced it to a subordinate state in Europe. But they wouldn't mind a lot of darkies getting killed.

The point is that "joining isis" is little more than saying that you're a member of isis. This is how these groups work.

And the tories are evil lizards who eat babies, Nigel Farage is litterally Hitler and Labour are a bunch of Stalinists.

It isn't - it means that one can be arrested and convicted merely with proving intent to fly to Syria or Iraq to join them, or on return, only having proven that they were there.

Trying to secure a conviction on the basis of proving a specific action during that time 1. happened 2. was criminal is a highway to nowhere.

Effectively the Greens are asking the government to legalise joining IS, doing whatever you like there, and then coming back.

They're all boring mainstream parties, yes today even UKIP. If someone in UKIP had said something like this Farage would have expelled them immediately.

Andrew Neil dissects shambolic Green Party policy in a humiliating interview.

Assassination begins at 4:10.