Rape is now guilty before proven innocent.

Lots of them. I am shocked by the number here who think asking 'wanna ****?' is too difficult a thing to do before sticking their penis in someone.



"Although it is men who perpetrate rape, it is women who are urged to modify their behaviour by abstaining or drinking less, and thus accommodate the danger posed by predatory men."

Taking away the raping of men from the equation. I think that being falsely accused of rape is the worst a man can come to experiencing such an horrendous act as rape itself.

I've known a friend who was falsely accused of rape. And it damn near broke him. I'm serious, he became a total shell of himself until he was cleared, he wouldnt go out, he wouldnt talk to anyone, he lost his job, his confidence and his self respect.

And a quick search on somewhere like the BBC news website will show that they are.

Are you real? Having your body violated by a man is far worse than being accused of doing so. Granted the latter is horrendous too and anybody who makes false claims should be given prison time.

You and I have had this argument elsewhere and we don't need to have it again.

You can accidentally kill someone, but you can't accidentally stick your penis in them. The nuances of just how badly you behaved when sticking your penis in someone without a reasonable belief in their consent is dealt with perfectly adequately by the sentencing guidelines.

I'd rather live in a society where women can be passed out drunk without any harm coming to them than one that goes 'Well, what did they expect?'

Given the choice, would you prefer to be raped or accused of rape?
I think it's a fairly simple conclusion for most people - and it's worth noting that men can be victims as well as perpetrators.

What a ****ing travesty :L

I'm glad I don't sleep around, I'd be ****ting myself 24/7 that some girl I nailed got jealous and decided to stitch me up...

Taking away the raping of men from the equation. I think that being falsely accused of rape is the worst a man can come to experiencing such an horrendous act as rape itself.

I've known a friend who was falsely accused of rape. And it damn near broke him. I'm serious, he became a total shell of himself until he was cleared, he wouldnt go out, he wouldnt talk to anyone, he lost his job, his confidence and his self respect.

I think the Ched Evans one would be a pretty prolific example of an accident; girl takes cocaine and gets drunk, goes to a hotel room and horny men she goes there with have sex. She wakes up full of regret and decides sober her wouldnt have given consent to what intoxicated her did; Rape.

Are you real? Having your body violated by a man is far worse than being accused of doing so. Granted the latter is horrendous too and anybody who makes false claims should be given prison time.

To quote the sexual offences act 2003:



So the defendant has to reasonably believe that the plaintiff consented. The guidelines seem to make it clearer that the defendant has to justify that belief. He can't just say "I assumed she consented" based on nothing. I don't know if that was ever the case in court though.

Why are we taking away the reality of men being raped, that makes no sense. Men can be raped, there is no need to say 'this is the closest thing for a man to actual rape' when we can actually suffer rape...

That may be true and he has my every sympathy, but it's not the same as your body being entered by a stranger or somebody you don't want to (and possibly ejaculating into you in the case of male rapists). And for female rape victims, there's also the risk of pregnancy. And diseases for both genders.

Being accused of rape is a lot worse than having my body violated by anyone.

In the best scenarios:

Being raped - No STD, no bodily harm, feeling upset, feeling angry.
But how you feel depends on how you approach the incident. You can change it.

Being accused of rape - No jail time, proven innocent, feeling upset, feeling angry.
But people around you will alienate you because they think 'no smoke without fire', future employers will not hire you because they are afraid of it being true, no chance for you to work in certain places like schools because parents will definitely complain. No matter how you approach the incident, the consequence is not something you can control.

In the worst scenarios:

Being raped - STD + broken arm/leg/whatever.
You will have sympathy from others and will be compensated if it's this bad.
STD + no permanent bodily harm but people don't believe you.
You can still get yourself treated and have a life. In this scenario, it's one illness plus the best scenario of being accused of rape above.

Being accused -
You will be killed because people hate you.
You will be raped in jail.
You will spend a lot of time in jail despite being innocent.

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It's quite clear to me which one is worse. If you're raped, there's still chance to turn your life around and there are a lot fewer consequences you cannot control; if you're being accused of rape, there's no chance to recover from it and the consequences are uncontrollable.

Talk about being a pedant. The fact remains there was a reverse burden of proof enforced because he had admitted to having sex with her. The onus was on him, not the prosecution.

Do you agree that the onus should be on him to prove he had reasonable belief in her consent or do you belief it should be on the prosecution to prove that he didn't?

I think it's great that a man who's never been raped can say that being accused of rape is far worse.

That 'reasonable belief' part doesn't mean the defendant has to show that he had a belief that she consented and was reasonable in having that belief. It means that the prosecution have to show that, under the circumstances and considering all the facts, a hypothetical reasonable person could not have believed that consent was being given.