Immigration.

Really you would want hundreds of thousands of Korean's, coastal Chinese and Japanese moving you Britain every year? Parts of Africa and the Caribbean are part of the Anglosphere or English speaking world. Yet you just said they are less preferable.

Oh so you want British citizenship to be devalued to nothing more than an economic transaction. Also that would be dependent upon the government, their would be no oversights of that. It would be abused, citizenship should not be for sale.

However Eastern Europe is Catholic or Orthodox Christian, they aren't Protestants. Eastern Europeans don't speak English. They live in a different environment to Britain. We don't care the same culture at all.

So you support immigration from specific parts of Europe then? Not all of Europe.

The fact they are Catholic or Orthodox does not concern me. They are my kin, I regard being European as being part of a distinct group of people and i believe we share a European identity. We are so much more closer to Eastern Europeans than Non Europeans so thats your answer there

This is a very modern view which largely comes from America where white people don't have a strong national/ethnic identity, since white Americans come from a variety of European backgrounds and have been pushed together. Its not really how things have traditionally been viewed in Europe, where nationality was always a core component of ethnic identity.

Noone in Europe before 1960 or so would have believed there was an overarching "white European" identity - countries like Britain/Germany/France were always highly nationalist and believed they were fundamentally different from each other in an ethnic sense. There was belief in a clear "French" character, a clear "British" character, and so on. Also Spaniards and south Italians weren't always traditionally viewed as being white (many early racial theories clasified Italians as basically Africans, and the French had a saying "Africa begins at the Pyrenees"). Slavs were traditionally viewed as being a separate ethnic group altogether (Hitler certainly didnt put them in the same category as the Nordics), and even Irish people werent really viewed as "white" as recently as a century ago.

Basically, the idea that an English person is going to get on with a Pole just because they have white skin is pretty ridiculous, and would have been considered ridiculous at most points in European history, even before the modern attempts at making a post-racial society. Also most peoplle in the UK clearly dont agree with you, since there is obvious friction between Eastern Europeans and Brits, rather than some kind of shared feeling of white brotherhood

you do not speak for the majority of the British people; on the contrary I could say that most of the British people do not agree with you ( see how that works ).

I believe that British people identify themselves more with a pole than a non European; that is my opinion just as your post is based on your opinion ( see how that works )

As for you history lesson on European perception of identity before the 1960s that is all very interesting and has nothing to do with the point I put forward.

This is a very modern view which largely comes from America where white people don't have a strong national/ethnic identity, since white Americans come from a variety of European backgrounds and have been pushed together. Its not really how things have traditionally been viewed in Europe, where nationality was always a core component of ethnic identity.

Noone in Europe before 1960 or so would have believed there was an overarching "white European" identity - countries like Britain/Germany/France were always highly nationalist and believed they were fundamentally different from each other in an ethnic sense. There was belief in a clear "French" character, a clear "British" character, and so on. Also Spaniards and south Italians weren't always traditionally viewed as being white (many early racial theories clasified Italians as basically Africans, and the French had a saying "Africa begins at the Pyrenees"). Slavs were traditionally viewed as being a separate ethnic group altogether (Hitler certainly didnt put them in the same category as the Nordics), and even Irish people werent really viewed as "white" as recently as a century ago.

Basically, the idea that an English person is going to get on with a Pole just because they have white skin is pretty ridiculous, and would have been considered ridiculous at most points in European history, even before the modern attempts at making a post-racial society. Also most peoplle in the UK clearly dont agree with you, since there is obvious friction between Eastern Europeans and Brits, rather than some kind of shared feeling of white brotherhood

I believe that British people identify themselves more with a pole than a non European; that is my opinion just as your post is based on your opinion ( see how that works )

you do not speak for the majority of the British people; on the contrary I could say that most of the British people do not agree with you ( see how that works ).

I believe that British people identify themselves more with a pole than a non European; that is my opinion just as your post is based on your opinion ( see how that works )

As for you history lesson on European perception of identity before the 1960s that is all very interesting and has nothing to do with the point I put forward.

I have more in common with a Sri Lankan Protestant who's mother married into a Dutch aristocratic family and moved to Britain when he was 6, than I do a Catholic, Russian speaking Polish person who moved to Britain when he was 27.

So do you believe that an Englishman would have more in common with a Pole from Poland, who speaks a different language, has a different culture (though some similarities in your opinion) etc. than a non-European British citizen who has fully integrated and speaks the same language, eats similar food, has similar tastes etc.?

Its not 'opinion' that many/most British people are uncomfortable about mass Eastern European immigration, and I dont see how you could think otherwise. There has been a substantial backlash against Poles and Romanians over the last few years, in a way that would never exist for (eg) American/Australian (or even German/French) immigration, since these people are usually seen as being much closer to Brits than Romanians are.

Yes, people might feel they have more in common with the average Pole than with the average African or Pakistani but that doesnt mean they want mass immigration of Poles into the country. "If I had to choose, then I would prefer X over Y" does not mean "I want X"

I feel closer to my European brethern than I do with non europeans born and bred than Britain. I identify more with other European people and share a common identity and kinship that i simply do not share with other non europeans

I feel closer to my European brethern than I do with non europeans born and bred than Britain. I identify more with other European people and share a common identity and kinship that i simply do not share with other non europeans

If you just say we should favour white immigration, that includes the mis-mash of Eastern European ethnicities, Russians, the French... No, it's clear that having people who are or were of the United Kingdom should be the ones prioritised.

Bill: what is your opinion on self-determination?