Sharp rise in halal abattoirs slaughtering animals without stunning them first.

The issue is that society has (much to my dismay) decided that it wants to eat meat, we've recognised that this results in suffering to the animals so we're come up with a set of rules in order to reduce the needless suffering of said animals. We've now thrown these rules in the bin because certain groups of people want to emulate how things were done in 7th century Arabia. Times have moved on, we have the ability to reduce suffering and the efforts of people to introduce even more suffering into an industry already rife with suffering must be opposed.

There is nothing in that whole report that proves that electrocuting is more hygienic or less painful for the animal. It simply states that the animal is conscious for longer which frankly doesn't prove anything.

Perhaps we should just ban all Halal and Kosher meat from the UK? Personally I think it makes no sense to appease and tolerate religious ritual slaughtering methods in a country as humane and advanced as Britain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11378667/Sharp-rise-in-halal-abattoirs-slaughtering-animals-without-stunning-them-first.html

As far as I know SubWay in the UK is now all Halal. Many UK hospitals now serve only Halal slaughtered meat in their visitors restaurants. How can Britain be so Halal when the vast majority of it's citizens are purportedly non-Muslim? Aggressive bullish campaigning I gather. It appears they don't care a damn for what British non-Muslims prefer to eat, as long as their wants are met. The situation speaks for itself and it's about time British non-Muslims grew a backbone and stuck up for their human rights too. I'm all for soundly reasoned improvement and change but Britain seems to be sliding all too easily into a dystopian alternate reality, becoming increasingly disconnected from itself.

Nature does not not intend an animal (includes humans) to care about the pain its prey goes through just before it is consumed. Crocodiles kill their prey viciously without thought of the pain the prey goes through. Lions will kill their prey and do not give a damn about the pain the prey goes through. Why don't you prevent those sufferings, I mean, shouldn't every animal in the world get stunned before death to be fair? There are countless examples of animals suffering and why? Because its nature and we need to accept it. We need to kill to survive. Plants and animals are killed by other animals all the time. Humans have found less painful alternatives but to start whining over that fact that its not less painful enough is irrelevant to our survival. Stunning takes takes more resources, more time, more effort, more money. Nature does not expect us to care. There are humans getting slaughtered by other humans in ways that you cannot tolerate. Is it important to humans to care about something as small as no-stunning on something that is not human?

They both make the animal unconscious before slaughter. Apparently this doesn't allow the animal to feel pain, when in reality all it does paralyse the animal so it can not move.

it is impossible to know whether the animal is feeling pain or not

Nature does not not intend an animal (includes humans) to care about the pain its prey goes through

Erm can you substantiate that point pls?



No, it's very possible. Just use electrocardiograms to monitor electrical pain signals to the brain.

Nothing about modern society is natural. Something being natural or not is amoral, it says nothing about rights and wrongs. We have the ability to think and reason and where neccessary we can go against what is natural. It's natural in a great many species for mothers to reject a weak offspring, does that mean we should throw children who are born underweight in the gutter? It's natural after all.

eventually stunning will be banned as it causes more pain to the animal

If you people care so much about animal welfare then why don't you prevent suffering for all animals on Earth to show fairness? Or is this only exclusive to animals raised on farms?

Erm can you substantiate that point pls?



No, it's very possible. Just use electrocardiograms to monitor electrical pain signals to the brain.

Well clearly this is false, provably so.

I care, as do many others. We are natural things, are we not.

Nature is not a sentient being, you know this, right ? It doesn't have intentions.
You could argue that our empathy extending to other creatures of this earth isn't a beneficiary trait to further adapt or act on........but it's inconsequential.

In this free, tolerant and modern first world society we live in. WE are empathetic to them, if you don't like it then there are plenty of other countries you can go live in that share your sentiment.

I can also assume no one will lament your leaving, please, take some friends with you.

S Why don't you people leave and stop bothering others.

Yeah, that's rich. Right back at ya, like I said, take some friends with you.

I agree we need to prioritise, people are dying all over the world in horrendous conditions. Islam is perhaps the main cause of much of the suffering in the world today, and its being spread all over Europe now.

Notice how the terrorism and suffering has followed Muslims everywhere they go. There is no societal construct in the world with a Muslim demographic that doesn't suffer these problems of terrorism and mass rape gangs targeting non-Muslim.

And you have the gaul to say we should spend our tax money torturing animals because they (Muslims) now live in welfare societies in Europe and cant afford to do it themselves.............

Consider a hypothetical:

If you knew a family member (let's say your mother) was doing to die, would you rather it would be a quick death while unconscious, or, being consciously torn limb from limb until she bled out?

I personally believe that having a religious exemption for something society has deemed unethical isn't acceptable and the academics have shown it causes additional suffering for some animals, for those reasons alone I think it should be banned. However I do agree with you that the general meat eater who is passionately anti halal is in complete denial about standard slaughter and think if they use the word 'humane' enough to describe it then it must be so.

For those people I'd invite them to watch this footage filmed undercover in 8 randomly selected uk abattoirs (none religious) - it's obviously contains scenes of animal slaughter so viewer discretion is advised - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TFdHAnpTYI . It clearly shows the worst but malpractice in abattoirs in my experience is not unusual. Notice how stunning equipment is actually often used as a weapon against animals. There are a lot of problems in the farming/slaughter industry and religious slaughter is only a part of it.

You do know there is no difference in how the animals are kept until they are slaughtered

but your argument is basic whataboutery but a very poor one

Yeah our empathy with other creatures is a secret cover.

In this society we empathise with other creatures, we lament being FORCED to pay Halal butcher with our taxes to torture animals, because the welfare demographic of Muslims that now resides in our country cant afford to do it themselves.

If you don't share this sentiment, and it seems an alien concept to empathise with animals, please do us a favour and leave. There are plenty of countries that share your sentiment, take your pick. We really don't need you in Europe, please take some friends with you