Most of the main Green policies are terrifying

yes but this is a false proposition, this is not being proposed. They are not going to make anything better with this zero growth policy.
Extrapolate that logic and apply it to morality, just because you cannot objectively measure morality as one could say count money or solve an equation doesn't mean that we cannot develop concepts of right and wrong.

They will make a sustainable economy which is what we want.
yes and I'm not saying that we can't because that would imply I suggested we can't develop culture. But one persons morality is different to another's and there can not be one person with perfect mortality.

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Academic Bruv

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They will make a sustainable economy which is what we want.
yes and I'm not saying that we can't because that would imply I suggested we can't develop culture. But one persons morality is different to another's and there can not be one person with perfect mortality.

No they won't. I won't get into debating this as its a topic of its own.

Yes but lets be clear

- some people can be more moral than others
- the moral frameworks of societies can be also judged morally
- Places like north Korea with a dictatorship and starving people are worse than democracies such as Australia where people are not put into forced labour camps, you can make this moral judgement.

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Aph

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No they won't. I won't get into debating this as its a topic of its own.

Yes but lets be clear

- some people can be more moral than others
- the moral frameworks of societies can be also judged morally
- Places like north Korea with a dictatorship and starving people are worse than democracies such as Australia where people are not put into forced labour camps, you can make this moral judgement.

Zero growth is the only sustainable growth.

Ok so which absolute set of moral principals (agreed upon by everyone) are you using as your basis for judgement? You are using your own opinion which means your conclusions are biased.

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Academic Bruv

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Zero growth is the only sustainable growth.

Ok so which absolute set of moral principals (agreed upon by everyone) are you using as your basis for judgement? You are using your own opinion which means your conclusions are biased.

That could be said of all morality. That does not mean that we should abandon the concept.

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Aph

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That could be said of all morality. That does not mean that we should abandon the concept.

Again, I never said we should. I simply maid the point that because it's a subjective thing (like societal values) one system cannot be said to be greater then another system.