Most of the main Green policies are terrifying

Can only recommend that you ready the manifesto coming out in the next couple of months rather than this column from the Telegraph.

Thus your last point is invalid.

Well we could only realistically get to the asteroid belt and sure we could land on the asteroid but we couldn't send anything up which is big enough to mine significant amounts of minerals and then how many rovers do you know which have come back to earth? The issue is with launching off of a body which has no air thus nothing to push up against.

What at might they be?

What is the solar system's purpose, if not to support life? It won't last forever; Sol will go nova soon enough. As humanity spreads across the galaxy, we will bring with us most of the Earth's biosphere, ensuring its survival.

Wow. Some kind of 'earth supremacist' it seems wrong to me. Plus even the universe has limits. On it's resources.

Aph, you haven't denied that it's impossible suggesting you know it's possible. Even the moon for goodness sake is somewhere we could be mining resources. Bases would have to be made most likely on the asteroids/the moon but still it is within humanity's remit to mine on other solar system bodies. Hence resources are hardly limited in the short-term / medium-term.

Something's which I found interesting during the interview :

The Green's financial incompetency - how they want a universal income (unfunded) even with a wealth tax which doesn't cover enough of the costs (by a large substantial amount). This would mean the Greens would have to borrow money which is dangerous if it can't be payed back in large proportions - just go look at Greece. They want open borders with the world so we could see a hell of a lot more immigrants incited to come here for the free income. Their response is : "we have a duty as a rich country" - no we don't and at the end of the day if we don't have the money you can't legislate such looney proposals. In addition, they want to scrap the tax allowance, so poor families could be poorer under the Greens. This is all of course in addition to the increases in foreign aid ,renewable energy and re-nationalisation that they want introduce.

Then we have defence. They want to scrap Trident, scrap a large portion of the armed forces & then allow people to join Al-Qaeda and terrorist groups in the Uk legally. So not only will we have more Islamic extremists to deal with we won't have the armed forces to deal with them. It's just ludicrous and national security in this country will be a hell of a lot worse than it is currently.


So in conclusion : the greens are worse than UKIP (or on par with). If you get them in power the average Brit will most likely be poorer under them and future generations will have to pick up the bill on the spending spree (probably worse than New Labour and the Tories). Our economy would be in ruins and our security in tatters. In principle I think all of us agree with their proposals but the mind should always overrule the heart. If you don't have the money you shouldn't be proposing such crazy things, it's just too populist and lacks sense financially. I have no doubt that in the next year or two Greece will be asking for another election to get rid of their Syriza party, who are promising things that they can't deliver.





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No I didn't.

However you are still speaking about over 200 years to go to our nearest neighbour mine and come back to earth with enough minerals. That would be a tremendous cargo and seeing as we can't realistically move the whole of the human population to our solar neighbour we are talking about multi-generational ships and they might not even return.

Aph, you haven't denied that it's impossible suggesting you know it's possible. Even the moon for goodness sake is somewhere we could be mining resources. Bases would have to be made most likely on the asteroids/the moon but still it is within humanity's remit to mine on other solar system bodies. Hence resources are hardly limited in the short-term / medium-term.

The Green's financial incompetency - how they want a universal income (unfunded) even with a wealth tax which doesn't cover enough of the costs (by a large substantial amount). This would mean the Greens would have to borrow money which is dangerous if it can't be payed back in large proportions - just go look at Greece. They want open borders with the world so we could see a hell of a lot more immigrants incited to come here for the free income. Their response is : "we have a duty as a rich country" - no we don't and at the end of the day if we don't have the money you can't legislate such looney proposals. In addition, they want to scrap the tax allowance, so poor families could be poorer under the Greens. This is all of course in addition to the increases in foreign aid ,renewable energy and re-nationalisation that they want introduce.

Then we have defence. They want to scrap Trident, scrap a large portion of the armed forces & then allow people to join Al-Qaeda and terrorist groups in the Uk legally. So not only will we have more Islamic extremists to deal with we won't have the armed forces to deal with them. It's just ludicrous and national security in this country will be a hell of a lot worse than it is currently.

So in conclusion : the greens are worse than UKIP (or on par with). If you get them in power the average Brit will most likely be poorer under them and future generations will have to pick up the bill on the spending spree (probably worse than New Labour and the Tories). Our economy would be in ruins and our security in tatters. In principle I think all of us agree with their proposals but the mind should always overrule the heart. If you don't have the money you shouldn't be proposing such crazy things, it's just too populist and lacks sense financially. I have no doubt that in the next year or two Greece will be asking for another election to get rid of their Syriza party, who are promising things that they can't deliver

Make your mind up - first of all you say all the immigrants will be attracted here because of our economy under the Greens, then you say that under the Greens the economy will be ruined - wouldn't that mean less immigration??? It's one or the other.

People are turning to left wing parties, because they've clocked on to the fact the austerity that has been imposed on us is affecting our lives whilst the elites get richer and more powerful.

Remember it was the financial incompetence of various right wing governments around the world that got us into this mess in the first place, someone has to stick up for the masses.

you might have, who the 100 years for was unclear, but as said, pretty much irrelevant
$\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}$ with $\beta=\frac{v}{c}$
$t'=\gamma t$
Run the figures and it comes out at about a month, strictly, one and a half

But that's purely on tech that is possibly feasible in the near future, you need to remember that there is still this solar system to clear first which, excluding the sun, has a mass about equivalent to 500 Earths, most of which is admittedly the likes of Jupiter and Saturn, but there is still a hell of a lot of rocks out there, the main asteroid belt is estimated to have a mass of about 3x10²¹Kg, although, to be fair, that's only 4% of the moon, and we have a good idea what most of the asteroids are made of too.

you might have, who the 100 years for was unclear, but as said, pretty much irrelevant

and yes it would be just under 0.05c given his 100 years and unfortunately I do not know how to calculate the time time dilation.
$\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}$ with $\beta=\frac{v}{c}$
$t'=\gamma t$
Run the figures and it comes out at about a month, strictly, one and a half


But that's purely on tech that is possibly feasible in the near future, you need to remember that there is still this solar system to clear first which, excluding the sun, has a mass about equivalent to 500 Earths, most of which is admittedly the likes of Jupiter and Saturn, but there is still a hell of a lot of rocks out there, the main asteroid belt is estimated to have a mass of about 3x10²¹Kg, although, to be fair, that's only 4% of the moon, and we have a good idea what most of the asteroids are made of too.

ok thank you I guess the time dilation isn't an issue.



Yes, but collecting the asteroids is a massive challenge the only way I could see to do it would be to sling shot around Jupiter but the rock would still likely burn up on re-entry.

What next? People for the Ethical Treatment of Europa's Fish?

I wish these sense-illiterate types could be sent on the first colony ship to Alpha Centauri to try out their ideas, without any support from us vile Earth Supremacists.

Ummm, you don't bring them back to earth, you mine them where they are, or change their orbit to a more convenient one, and then bring what you mine back. On the larger ones you literally just bring back the processed goods, or at least partly processed. In essence, you set up the whole mine and processing facility in space, or at least when done on a large scale

yes mining the moon is posible but can you imagine the uproar it'd create. And asteroids are much more difficult and you couldn't really use rovers to mine an asteroid with significant yield.
a universal income is a really good idea not only does it increase happiness and productivity but it also encourages people to take a wider part in society and would likely result in less petty crime.

well no we won't have more Islamic extremists because these people will have held these veiws either way but we will actually know who they are which is good right?
But I can't defend scrapping trident.

i don't think money is everything and I can't see why you think they are worse then UKIP. Plus I think social mobility will be better under a green government with the wealth gap reduced.

but I'm still unsure how you move them without massive solar sails seeing as there is nothing to push against in space.

Mining on the moon would create hardly any uproar. Why would anyone care about that? I didn't know there were an lunar conservationists around.

A universal income might create happiness but happiness does not mean it's sustainable. That's the sort of budgetary irresponsibility that the Greens would take with them if they got into power. The productivity increase might be there but there is no way it would be the amount that would be needed to cover the shortfall of how much it would cost and how much they could fund. The decrease in crime would again be minimal at best and would hardly save money to cover the costs of it's implementation. There are of course risks like inflation also with giving everything money like that.

Perhaps it's a good thing to know who they are but the point is is that there would be a lack of resources of dealing with them (monitoring them etc). You'd be giving them a platform to co-operate more easily and most likely perpetrating an attack.

Money isn't everything but at the end of the day we live in a global society and money is the medium in which most things are obtained. We can't just ignore money, we have to live under the boundaries set about by it

Mining on the moon would create hardly any uproar. Why would anyone care about that? I didn't know there were an lunar conservationists around.
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With Newton's third law of motion? The same way everything else is moved by us in space...