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Original post by Tom_Ford
An Ozil , Giroud, Sanchez attacking three is really quite tasty tbh. Walcott and Chamberlain to be benched and used if we need a bit more pace.
I'd love to see a counter attacking team based around Sanchez (RW) Walcott (ST) Chamberlain (LW).
Sanchez Walcott Chamberlain
Cazorla
Coq Ramsey
Gibbs Paulista Koschielny Debuchy
Ospina
Although it looks a bit too top heavy. Maybe when defending Chamberlain and Sanchez could be asked to track runners and help out with thier fullbacks and Walcott be told to drop to the centre circle in order to be an outlet on the counter.
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(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by WeOnlyLiveOnce
I'd love to see a counter attacking team based around Sanchez (RW) Walcott (ST) Chamberlain (LW).
Sanchez Walcott Chamberlain
Cazorla
Coq Ramsey
Gibbs Paulista Koschielny Debuchy
Ospina
Although it looks a bit too top heavy. Maybe when defending Chamberlain and Sanchez could be asked to track runners and help out with thier fullbacks and Walcott be told to drop to the centre circle in order to be an outlet on the counter.
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Sanchez Walcott Chamberlain
Cazorla
Coq Ramsey
Gibbs Paulista Koschielny Debuchy
Ospina
Although it looks a bit too top heavy. Maybe when defending Chamberlain and Sanchez could be asked to track runners and help out with thier fullbacks and Walcott be told to drop to the centre circle in order to be an outlet on the counter.
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Original post by jam277
Chelsea Liverpool matches usually are great. Strong rivalry there. Chelsea Arsenal is basically masters vs bitches and we like to treat our bitches well.
Liverpool are soon becoming Chelsea's bitch when prior to that they were the straight up bogey team in any cup fixture.
Liverpool are soon becoming Chelsea's bitch when prior to that they were the straight up bogey team in any cup fixture.
Basically any tiki taki bull**** should be forgotten when playing you guys. Just does not work against bus parking teams, unless you are defensive possessioning the game and waiting like an old Serie A manager in the 90's. Basically that is what a lot of Mourinho's game is when he bus parks, wait it out and wait for opponent's mistakes. Old Serie A rehash stuff. It's only because the defences of oppositions compared to back then is so shoddy that he is successful at this.
Original post by sr90
I don't play Fifa.
City's squad, despite spending hundreds of millions, is bang average. Take out Kompany and they have no defence, take out Toure and they have no midfield, take out Silva and they struggle to create anything, Hart/Caballero is the weakest goalkeeping pair out of the top 5 when you discount Southampton. Nobody has better striking options than City though.
When we sign 4-5 quality players in the summer and cut the last of the deadwood our squad won't be too far off either. Not to mention the fact Arsenal will strengthen too. On paper, that is. Whether Wenger and Van Gaal can close the gap on the pitch remains to be seen.
City's squad, despite spending hundreds of millions, is bang average. Take out Kompany and they have no defence, take out Toure and they have no midfield, take out Silva and they struggle to create anything, Hart/Caballero is the weakest goalkeeping pair out of the top 5 when you discount Southampton. Nobody has better striking options than City though.
When we sign 4-5 quality players in the summer and cut the last of the deadwood our squad won't be too far off either. Not to mention the fact Arsenal will strengthen too. On paper, that is. Whether Wenger and Van Gaal can close the gap on the pitch remains to be seen.
I'd say Kompany has been their worst CB this year, their defence has quite a few issue which won't get better any time soon considering the age of their fullback (average age of 28ish I think).
Agree completely with the midfield and striker points, but keepers a tough one, Hart is probably better than Ospina, but Caballero has shown absolutely nothing special so far imo, so their GK situation is similar to ours really (saying that Hart is outstandingly overrated due to the fact he is English).
Also, do you think it's ok that you can just casually buy 4 or 5 £30mil players a year, seems a tad hypocritical considering the whining of the majority of united fans 2 years ago when City were doing it?
Started to realise we work in calender year periods of a quality calender year followed by an absolute **** one (for example we got the most points over 2013 (82 points), followed by 70 points in 2014 which is poverty), fully expect us to take at 38 points from out last 15 games and a good start to next season followed by the normal injury crisis collapse.
We follow a boring cycle of optimism and then collapse and it needs to change, starting to feel that it will, our squad depth is much better now, so here's to 85 point 2015... followed by 65 in 2016.
We follow a boring cycle of optimism and then collapse and it needs to change, starting to feel that it will, our squad depth is much better now, so here's to 85 point 2015... followed by 65 in 2016.
Original post by sr90
When the money has been earnt through the success of the club over a sustained period of time, yes. It's why nobody would have any problems with Arsenal (or even modern day Chelsea) doing the same. City are completely reliant on Mansour and his dozens of dodgy, inflated sponsorship deals.
I can't believe the Nike and Chevy deals were completely legit, why would a company spend like 3 times more than any previous deal just for a shirt sponsorship, compared to having a whole stadium being named after them, it doesn't make economic sense tbh.
I don't think any team spending ridiculous amounts of money is fair, why should the potential success of a club be solely based on its' previous success? It's a touch ironic as well that Chelsea are now seen as borderline ok considering City will more than likely be in their current position in 5 years time.
Imo there should be a Europe wide transfer cap to stop this type of thing, TV rights are better here in the UK, but it just isn't right that some teams are able to spend in excess of £150mil a year JUST because they were established clubs before the new rules came in, ahh well nothing is going to change but at least Blatter should get the boot at the elections
Original post by sr90
Doesn't seem to be a lot of hatred from either side these days, though. Ferguson, Carragher and Neville's departures - along with Suarez, Evra, Vidic and Gerrard this season - will see it watered down I think.
Chelsea/Liverpool - especially with Mourinho at the Bridge - is a very feisty modern rivalry.
Original post by sr90
Of course it makes economic sense, Manchester United are one of the biggest brands in the world. Besides it's a 10 year deal, when it expires in 2025 such an amount will be commonplace. Our current Nike deal is £23m which is nothing by todays standards, but in 2001 when the deal was signed, it was a ridiculously high sum just like £70m is now.
Yeah but come on, for a shirt sponsor, what was it £700mil, for 10 years?!
United may be one of the biggest clubs in the world but that's way more than Barca, Bayern or Real get even on a per annum basis.
Mind you Chevy is an American company so stupid amounts of money is commonplace.
Thinking about it, imagine if Apple and Google got in on the sponsorship game, considering their piles of cash a £1bn sponsorship deal is nothing to them
Original post by sr90
I don't play Fifa.
City's squad, despite spending hundreds of millions, is bang average. Take out Kompany and they have no defence, take out Toure and they have no midfield, take out Silva and they struggle to create anything, Hart/Caballero is the weakest goalkeeping pair out of the top 5 when you discount Southampton. Nobody has better striking options than City though.
When we sign 4-5 quality players in the summer and cut the last of the deadwood our squad won't be too far off either. Not to mention the fact Arsenal will strengthen too. On paper, that is. Whether Wenger and Van Gaal can close the gap on the pitch remains to be seen.
City's squad, despite spending hundreds of millions, is bang average. Take out Kompany and they have no defence, take out Toure and they have no midfield, take out Silva and they struggle to create anything, Hart/Caballero is the weakest goalkeeping pair out of the top 5 when you discount Southampton. Nobody has better striking options than City though.
When we sign 4-5 quality players in the summer and cut the last of the deadwood our squad won't be too far off either. Not to mention the fact Arsenal will strengthen too. On paper, that is. Whether Wenger and Van Gaal can close the gap on the pitch remains to be seen.
Ok then
Original post by sr90
They could but what would gain from it though? Everyone knows who they are and it's not like they need to boost their market share.
Just for the bants, what else will they spend their £175bn on??
"The Apple Arena", "The Google Drome", god how cringey do they sound
In all seriousness, I can't believe that many people would believe that only a handful of clubs should have the divine right to be able to "buy success" based purely off their previous success and I think the only reason you do is because it benefits your club and hurts your rivals
Original post by leinad2012
Just for the bants, what else will they spend their £175bn on??
share buy back programmes
research and development
diversification
takeovers
Kompany has been shocking for City for a long time tbh, they were doing better with Mangala and Demichelis when Kompany was out, Kompany is not helped by pretty horrific defensive tactics though. Fernando was bought to fill in the spaces between CB and CM and he's too horrible on the ball to actually make anything happen. Didn't expect him to turn out so badly but I guess he has time to improve.
Nasri played in place of Silva in many games and they have Lampard for creativity at AM where he's surprisingly good for a 36 year old, Fernando is/has been shocking but Fernandinho is a pretty good player. He's somebody I wanted to have at Chelsea in all honesty and I'd still take him now, very versatile midfielder who can play box to box, Deep lying and behind the striker.
At this moment in time, City undoubtedly have the best squad in the league, but in a couple seasons they're likely to be below United and Arsenal in those regards for various reasons, honestly think they'll drop out of top 4 fairly soon.
Yeah. Defensive possession and absolutely dirty counter attacks. Mourinho team in a nutshell. Also his teams happen to be indirect set piece specialists.
Real Madrid used to do some absolutely juicy counters under Mourinho though. They still do but some of the counters they had with Ozil, Ronaldo, Di Maria and Benzema were just juicy. Still remember Spurs getting sodomised at the bernabeu.
Nasri played in place of Silva in many games and they have Lampard for creativity at AM where he's surprisingly good for a 36 year old, Fernando is/has been shocking but Fernandinho is a pretty good player. He's somebody I wanted to have at Chelsea in all honesty and I'd still take him now, very versatile midfielder who can play box to box, Deep lying and behind the striker.
At this moment in time, City undoubtedly have the best squad in the league, but in a couple seasons they're likely to be below United and Arsenal in those regards for various reasons, honestly think they'll drop out of top 4 fairly soon.
Original post by Tom_Ford
Basically any tiki taki bull**** should be forgotten when playing you guys. Just does not work against bus parking teams, unless you are defensive possessioning the game and waiting like an old Serie A manager in the 90's. Basically that is what a lot of Mourinho's game is when he bus parks, wait it out and wait for opponent's mistakes. Old Serie A rehash stuff. It's only because the defences of oppositions compared to back then is so shoddy that he is successful at this.
Yeah. Defensive possession and absolutely dirty counter attacks. Mourinho team in a nutshell. Also his teams happen to be indirect set piece specialists.
Real Madrid used to do some absolutely juicy counters under Mourinho though. They still do but some of the counters they had with Ozil, Ronaldo, Di Maria and Benzema were just juicy. Still remember Spurs getting sodomised at the bernabeu.
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Original post by swirly
share buy back programmes
research and development
diversification
takeovers
research and development
diversification
takeovers
Or buy Lithuania 3 times over
Come on man think outside the box.R&D can't cost Apple too much, just get someone to buy their competitors phones, steal their ideas, then do a massive press release and pretend you created the idea....
Also could you clarify what you mean by "diversification"?
Original post by leinad2012
Or buy Lithuania 3 times over Come on man think outside the box.
R&D can't cost Apple too much, just get someone to buy their competitors phones, steal their ideas, then do a massive press release and pretend you created the idea....
Also could you clarify what you mean by "diversification"?
Come on man think outside the box.R&D can't cost Apple too much, just get someone to buy their competitors phones, steal their ideas, then do a massive press release and pretend you created the idea....
Also could you clarify what you mean by "diversification"?
its fairly obvious...
amazon started off as a book company and diversified into other product ranges, and this costs money. it then diversified further to add stuff like kindles and kindle phones. it then diversified further to offer its own online streaming platform. it then diversified to where it produces it's own original TV show programming.
selling books online -> TV show programming #diversification
Sponsoring a football club, wouldnt be diversification for example.
Original post by swirly
its fairly obvious...
amazon started off as a book company and diversified into other product ranges, and this costs money. it then diversified further to add stuff like kindles and kindle phones. it then diversified further to offer its own online streaming platform. it then diversified to where it produces it's own original TV show programming.
selling books online -> TV show programming #diversification
Sponsoring a football club, wouldnt be diversification for example.
amazon started off as a book company and diversified into other product ranges, and this costs money. it then diversified further to add stuff like kindles and kindle phones. it then diversified further to offer its own online streaming platform. it then diversified to where it produces it's own original TV show programming.
selling books online -> TV show programming #diversification
Sponsoring a football club, wouldnt be diversification for example.
Right, I wasn't trying to knock your point, I just haven't heard that phrase before, at least not in a business sense
It'll be interesting to see what these companies start to create in the next few years, tbh I think Google push the boundaries much more when it comes to doing quirky new stuff, Apple is just far too commercialised and profit driven (not saying Google isn't but their R&D is much more wide ranging and not always commercially driven), it's like Google Glass and these compartment style phones they're trying to bring out, sure Google Glass was hit and miss and has flopped, but it was a cool idea in principle which may enable similar stuff to be viable in the future.
****, just realised this is the Arsenal thread, better get back on track, predictions for Saturday? We have the squad to beat them, could be one of the classic derby's, I'm going for 3-1 to us, can see Kane or Eriksen scoring (obvs), but we have so much strength going forward and they're fullbacks are suspect.
Also, I don't want to jinx it but we've been pretty outstanding from set pieces and corners so far this season, been really impressed
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