Do you consider UKIP good or bad?

You are talking about amending the current policy.. which effectively means the current policy won't be amended (locking in the previous "amendments").

Now all you need to do is take a little history lesson and look at how the policy came into being.

As I said it shows how the EU "works".




Where did I claim such a thing? All I said was it was a good example of how the EU "works". In effect a couple of hours before Britain joined the EU the existing members (6 at that time) hashed it together in order to lock Britain into it.

As long as a single law or regulation by which we must abide by law is made by unelected Brussels bureaucrats the ultimate power to make decisions relating to this country does not lie with us.

If you want a sensible and mature debate is it not fair to acknowledge your previous comments?

Absolutely.. is it not also fair to attribute quotes to me that I have actually made.



I agree.

I just realised I mixed up comments from two different users. I apologise.

For sone reason the types of people i've met who vote UKIP have been either:

* Middle class Baby Boomers from small semi-rural villages.
* Angry white men in declining ex-industrial towns who want them foreigners "arrrt of arrr countreh"
* Pissed off Tories
* Public house pundits

Personally I was initially surprised at how many women vote UKIP. Then I speak to them and find they are predominantly working class women in low paid jobs. Then I am not so surprised.

I find it surprising - what with UKIP's stance on women in the workplace.

Are you surprised that men vote Labour?

No.

I'm not surprised.

For sone reason the types of people i've met who vote UKIP have been either:

* Middle class Baby Boomers from small semi-rural villages.
* Angry white men in declining ex-industrial towns who want them foreigners "arrrt of arrr countreh"
* Pissed off Tories
* Public house pundits



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UKIP are bad because:

1) They wish to remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the EU court of human rights. You heard me, UKIP wants the UK not to have to abide by laws that protect fundamental human rights and freedoms.

2) 'No to political correctness'- basically they'd like to create a platform where racist/homophobic/islamaphobic statements are no longer frowned upon. They say PC stifles free speech, I say not having it segregates society.

3) Their entire immigration policy is based on fear and intolerance. 'Immigrants put pressure on the healthcare system'- Nope, the elderly put pressure on the healthcare system and arguably, the NHS wouldn't function without immigrants.- this is one example, there's many more but I'm not really in the mood to list every single one.

4) Their policies are based on idealisms, not realisms. They want lower taxes but more police on the streets, improved roads. Fair enough- but where's that money going to come from?

5) Their immigration policy will see an increase in homelessness and crimes committed by immigrants. 'Immigrants must financially support themselves for 5 years before receiving state help'. Example: A migrant worker works in the UK for 2 years, brings his family here, things are looking good. Company he works for gets made redundant, can no longer afford things, is not entitled to benefits or any state help. Begins stealing to provide for his family.


Just a few I can think of off the top of my head

I would much prefer people to dislike UKIP, like yourself, once they have read their policies and made up their own minds about them, than to condem their supposed policies that don't exist.

You heard me, UKIP wants the UK not to have to abide by laws that protect fundamental human rights and freedoms.

We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights

UKIP won the European Elections and have millions of voters.

Remind everyone why anyone should give a toss about the handful, amongst the millions YOU have actually met?

There are millions of French people in France, but the only ones I have met...

There are millions of Africans but the only ones I have met...

Stop stereotyping MILLIONS of people you ignorant bigot...

For sone reason the types of people i've met who vote UKIP have been either:

* Middle class Baby Boomers from small semi-rural villages.
* Angry white men in declining ex-industrial towns who want them foreigners "arrrt of arrr countreh"
* Pissed off Tories
* Public house pundits



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It just annoys me to high heaven that UKIP supporters (the majority i speak to) believe that immigration is the cause of all problems in this country.

Worst case scenario, we're still in ****.