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Original post by L'Evil Fish
Make it illegal, job done

All it needs to say is

Any attempt to evade tax is punishable

Tada


Yeah, should vote conservative then imo


Tax evasion is illegal , tax avoidance however is legal and its pretty difficult to stop that being the case - it's more like bending the rules than breaking them although obviously morally questionable

There will always loopholes though it's v tricky to stop and potentially a waste of govt money closing them all :dontknow:

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Original post by NinjaPandaa
Tax evasion is illegal , tax avoidance however is legal and its pretty difficult to stop that being the case - it's more like bending the rules than breaking them although obviously morally questionable

There will always loopholes though it's v tricky to stop and potentially a waste of govt money closing them all :dontknow:

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I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol
Original post by L'Evil Fish
I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol


Not at all, I completely agree with all of that
If at any point in my life I'm earning above 60-70k /year I'd happily pay at least 50% income tax to support welfare & benefits for the less fortunate.
It's just that the people in power tend to be ****ing greedy.

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Original post by L'Evil Fish
I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol


I love you right now :biggrin: Tax and public services are the costs of living in a civilised society. worker owned means of production would be nice too but i'm a dirty dirty communist :tongue:

But seriously, I'm being conservative when I say a 70% tax on earnings over £100k (I'll presume you know how tax brackets work) would be a good idea.
Original post by Tibbz2
Then they shouldn't make the promises they don't intend to keep! :biggrin:


Just being in government doesn't make things easy to do all of a sudden.

Tbh I can't think of one "promise" other than the Lib Dems on tuition that has been definitively broken by any election victor (and I would hardly call the Lib Dems election victors, they're far outnumbered by the Tories). Though of course I'm welcome to examples, I certainly haven't done the research :tongue:
Original post by L'Evil Fish
I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol


Yeah I agree but in practice it would be completely unfeasible and you'd lose a lot of the wealthiest people from the country

Thing is a lot of people don't think like that, take bono and Bob geldof two guys who like to brag about all their charity work but both are known tax avoiders, more of a glory situation imo, you'll always get people like that

Yeah socialism's good in theory, fairly impractical in reality unfortunately though :unimpressed:

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I kind of really ****ing hate tactical voting as a concept, but Labour aren't so far away from my ideals that I would be uncomfortable voting for them simply because the Greens have no chance in my super rural constituency.
Original post by NinjaPandaa
Yeah I agree but in practice it would be completely unfeasible and you'd lose a lot of the wealthiest people from the country

Thing is a lot of people don't think like that, take bono and Bob geldof two guys who like to brag about all their charity work but both are known tax avoiders, more of a glory situation imo, you'll always get people like that

Yeah socialism's good in theory, fairly impractical in reality unfortunately though :unimpressed:

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I usually hear that complaint directed towards communism, not socialism (and towards communism it's similarly misguided). Socialism is perfectly feasible, it just depends on how you want to go about it.

You want to go about it with secret police and a single-party state? Probably not going to go your way *cough* Lenin*cough*
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Original post by MangoFreak
I usually hear that complaint directed towards communism, not socialism (and towards communism it's similarly misguided).


Nah I completely believe socialism in impractical not impossible purely because it does not work well in coordination with globalisation and free trade, international competitiveness is generally greatly reduced

I 100% believe communism is an impossible task though, leaders never remain equal to the rest

You can ignore what I say though because I'm pretty sure I'll be voting lib dem so what do I know :awesome:

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Original post by rachelc142
Not at all, I completely agree with all of that
If at any point in my life I'm earning above 60-70k /year I'd happily pay at least 50% income tax to support welfare & benefits for the less fortunate.
It's just that the people in power tend to be ****ing greedy.

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Indeed. As long as I have enough to live comfortably, anything extra I wouldn't mind helping the less fortunate with.

That said it wouldn't really be in the form of benefits. It would be funding the NHS, and then trying to help the next generation set themselves up regardless of their background.

Whether that be through supplying scholarships, or training for more manual jobs.

Original post by MangoFreak
I love you right now :biggrin: Tax and public services are the costs of living in a civilised society. worker owned means of production would be nice too but i'm a dirty dirty communist :tongue:

But seriously, I'm being conservative when I say a 70% tax on earnings over £100k (I'll presume you know how tax brackets work) would be a good idea.


70% is a little much imo. Someone who earns more should in fact earn more.

Like those at the top end of one bracket shouldn't earn as much as someone on the lower end of the next bracket up.

I think it should steadily increase up to about X% absolute max. Where that max takes place and how much it is I don't know enough to say. (60% is as far as I'd go tbh, even then maybe a tad lower)

Original post by NinjaPandaa
Yeah I agree but in practice it would be completely unfeasible and you'd lose a lot of the wealthiest people from the country

Thing is a lot of people don't think like that, take bono and Bob geldof two guys who like to brag about all their charity work but both are known tax avoiders, more of a glory situation imo, you'll always get people like that

Yeah socialism's good in theory, fairly impractical in reality unfortunately though :unimpressed:

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Well good riddance to them :lol: don't let them trade here, or anything :colone: (I know that can't be done but)

We should just be a dictatorship and make everyone work for essentials and then have a luxury wage depending on your job lol
Haven't read the book but yeah I'd say so I'm all about the liberalisation, shame the party will probably not get the powers or implement the policies to reflect for a long long time :no:
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Original post by MangoFreak
I love you right now :biggrin: Tax and public services are the costs of living in a civilised society. worker owned means of production would be nice too but i'm a dirty dirty communist :tongue:

But seriously, I'm being conservative when I say a 70% tax on earnings over £100k (I'll presume you know how tax brackets work) would be a good idea.


Eh?!? :lolwut: :lol: :lmfao:

That is extreme! There is no reason a hard working individual has to pay the majority of his earnings in tax, that is simply absurd!

Why, should someone who hasn't exploited any loopholes and has made an honest living (possibly employing others) be, in effect, raped by the government?

Personally, a 40-45% tax is much more palatable because you keep the majority of YOUR earnings. Instead of lining the pockets of some wide faced grinning politicos.


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I'd say I used to pretty similar but I'm completely disillusioned with the conservative party's lack of concern for intergenerational inequality so that swung me over to the lib dems

Shame about not being able to vote, when's your birthday? Mine's literally 10 days before the election :ahee:

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Original post by NinjaPandaa
I'd say I used to pretty similar but I'm completely disillusioned with the conservative party's lack of concern for intergenerational inequality so that swung me over to the lib dems

Shame about not being able to vote, when's your birthday? Mine's literally 10 days before the election :ahee:

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I like the lib dems a lot, think they have good policies & a very well-read manifesto but nick clegg is just utterly useless... They lost a lot of integrity when they went into coalition with tories I feel!

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Original post by Princepieman
Eh?!? :lolwut: :lol: :lmfao:

That is extreme! There is no reason a hard working individual has to pay the majority of his earnings in tax, that is simply absurd!

Why, should someone who hasn't exploited any loopholes and has made an honest living (possibly employing others) be, in effect, raped by the government?

Personally, a 40-45% tax is much more palatable because you keep the majority of YOUR earnings. Instead of lining the pockets of some wide faced grinning politicos.


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You contradict yourself; if you believe that tax merely lines the pockets of individuals, why is simply lowering the number I pulled out my ass going to make it more palatable? (also, and this is only a semantic point, but a "politico" is typically someone with strong political views, which you would expect to have opposite behaviour to that you're implying)

I'm not even sure if I should take the phrase "raped by the government" seriously.

Reading your rhetoric I know there's no point in saying this (and that's fine I'm not criticising, we're all friends here I hope), but a 70% tax bracket is not taking the majority of earnings from anyone but those who would hardly notice.

Original post by NinjaPandaa
Nah I completely believe socialism in impractical not impossible purely because it does not work well in coordination with globalisation and free trade, international competitiveness is generally greatly reduced

I 100% believe communism is an impossible task though, leaders never remain equal to the rest

You can ignore what I say though because I'm pretty sure I'll be voting lib dem so what do I know :awesome:

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You raise a good point; implementation of socialist policies is difficult when you have an entire world of capitalist states around you. This is why national divisions are foolish.

Communism doesn't have to mean leaders are equal.

There are so many branches and diverging ideas within these ideologies that we couldn't possibly cover them all. I haven't even read about them all :tongue:
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Original post by rachelc142
I like the lib dems a lot, think they have good policies & a very well-read manifesto but nick clegg is just utterly useless... They lost a lot of integrity when they went into coalition with tories I feel!

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Yep although as a slightly right of central that didn't suit me too badly, economics-wise it also wasn't that bad of a coalition idea, although socially disastrous hence why I think they'll do pretty badly this time

Have to say I am actually a Nick Clegg fan but the uptown funk election anthem on the official lib dem YouTube page was a perhaps the most cringey thing I've ever seen :facepalm:
Original post by MangoFreak


You raise a good point; implementation of socialist policies is difficult when you have an entire world of capitalist states around you. This is why national divisions are foolish.

Communism doesn't have to mean leaders are equal.

There are so many branches and diverging ideas within these ideologies that we couldn't possibly cover them all. I haven't even read about them all :tongue:

Not sure how no national divisions would work though, could you imagine the drama hahahaha

Yeah I'd like to be much more politically informed something lacking from my (and most people's) education :holmes:


Yep conservatives love the pensioners and it's something I'm pretty sick of tbh, the baby boomers have had it much better than they like to think

Ah God that's grim, after results day too :sigh:

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feels so weird i've read this thread everyday from the start, then i was sick for a week and haven't been on in a month! Even though I don't post all the time I feel like I've missed so much! (too many pages to read!) Doubt anyone even remembers me! :biggrin:
Anyways, I'm busily trying to finish my EPQ so if anyone could spare a few minutes to complete my survey it would be a huge help! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/M5BG2K3
thank you!
I am about to start my second week of easter holidays and it has been parties all week
Happy Easter y'all! Here's to the week where we realise we've procrastinated the first week away, exams are actually next month now and I for one am doomed! Hooray! Easter!
Original post by blamethenargles
Happy Easter y'all! Here's to the week where we realise we've procrastinated the first week away, exams are actually next month now and I for one am doomed! Hooray! Easter!


I start my first week tomorrow :tongue:

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