Don't vote Conservative ... We've came to far as human beings.

Thats interesting but im not a labour supporter chaps, they are terrible. Just a man who is not willing to be silent whilst the sick and disabled are callously killed off and treated like jews in WW2

Anyway bringing you both together is the article below. It explains how the tories manipulate the employment figures at the expense of the disabled. Seems perfect given the discussion

https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/how-the-dwp-manufactures-falling-unemployment-figures/

You do realise that you don't need to do ANY manufacturing to decrease unemployment figures, right. You might be able to exaggerate the impact by manipulation but there is a fall in unemployment either way, or are you suggesting that the working population has increase by over 2m?

Are you the latest in the string of zero-hours Labout social media propagandists who just throw left wing blogs at people rather than hard figures from reliable sources?

Naive. Its all very well saying "get money from tax avoidance", but how do you propose to do this? The bureaucracy required to prevent forms of tax avoidance would probably cost more than the tax avoidance itself, and it wouldn't work, its always possible to find loop holes.

Although you could *reduce* tax avoidance considerably by lowering taxes, that would deincentivice it, but no one want's to hear that. Bottom line is, its true.

The damage has been done already. Much of what Labour achieved between 1997 and 2007 has been reversed

Ah it would cost too much to stop severe abuse of the system so why stop it? Rubbish.
Nah, people are always looking to avoid taxes.

The damage has been done already. Much of what Labour achieved between 1997 and 2007 has been reversed, and will likely take another decade to correct. If Labour were still in power in 2010 and had continued with their policies, homelessness would be nearly nonexistent in 2015 - as things stand is it is rising again, and this isn't just a result of the recession - the rise only started after the Tories were elected.

Sad state of affairs. Another 5 years of Tory rule will be the end of this country. I really dread to think what it will be like.

Well, yes. If it costs more to stop tax avoidance than is lost through tax avoidance it is pointless to try and stop it. The nice thing about posting on a forum, is that you can take the moral high ground, and give the 'obvious' answer. But in the real world everything has a price, and tax avoidance is not easy to stop. There is a way to substantially reduce tax avoidance though, and that is to reduce taxes. You might not like it, but that really doesn't matter, policies shouldn't be implemented if they don't work no matter how nice and 'just' they sound.

Voting for UKIP pal.. I'm more right than left, just can't support a regime that treats its citizens like the Tories do . Hope this helps

Voting for UKIP pal.. I'm more right than left, just can't support a regime that treats its citizens like the Tories do . Hope this helps

The damage has been done already. Much of what Labour achieved between 1997 and 2007 has been reversed, and will likely take another decade to correct. If Labour were still in power in 2010 and had continued with their policies, homelessness would be nearly nonexistent in 2015 - as things stand is it is rising again, and this isn't just a result of the recession - the rise only started after the Tories were elected.

Sad state of affairs. Another 5 years of Tory rule will be the end of this country. I really dread to think what it will be like.

The damage has been done already. Much of what Labour achieved between 1997 and 2007 has been reversed, and will likely take another decade to correct. If Labour were still in power in 2010 and had continued with their policies, homelessness would be nearly nonexistent in 2015 - as things stand is it is rising again, and this isn't just a result of the recession - the rise only started after the Tories were elected.

Sad state of affairs. Another 5 years of Tory rule will be the end of this country. I really dread to think what it will be like.

Tories just want to return to the days where a poor man could be shot for tress passing on a farmers fields.

They want businessman who own the means of production to be the ones calling the shots for the country as a whole.

They hate the idea of a society.

If you mess with Tories profit margins your know about it because they just shout anti business 247.

So there is a choice. If you choose to be pro-worker your be labelled as a Socialist. If you choose to be pro-business your labelled as a moderate. This is how the Conservative ideology works.

Tories don't want to help the poor.

They just want to release the burden of the poor from the state.

The less tax they pay is a plus for their individualism screw you I've got mine ideology.

Tories just want to return to the days where a poor man could be shot for tress passing on a farmers fields.

They want businessman who own the means of production to be the ones calling the shots for the country as a whole.

They hate the idea of a society.

If you mess with Tories profit margins your know about it because they just shout anti business 247.

So there is a choice. If you choose to be pro-worker your be labelled as a Socialist. If you choose to be pro-business your labelled as a moderate. This is how the Conservative ideology works.

Tories don't want to help the poor. They just want to release the burden of the poor from the state. The less tax they pay is a plus for their individualism screw you I've got mine ideology.

These investigations are conducted “confidentially”, so the UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD) – which is carrying out the inquiry – has refused to confirm or deny that the UK is being investigated

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/uk-is-first-country-to-face-un-inquiry-into-disability-rights-violations/

Yes,and the tories could have handled it better, but the recession could have been seriously mitigated had labor not been incompetent to the point of hilarity. Any economic plan always hurts the poor the most, there is simply no system that benefits the poor more than the rich. And before you say; just tax the rich. It is not that simple, taxing the rich works up until a point where incentive reduces to a point that long term revenue and GDP actually decreases as a function of increasing tax. In other words, tax the rich sounds nice in theory, but in practice, all it means is that the government gets less revenue in the long term, and the poor get poorer, wheres ironically the rich could ride it out.

You might think things are bad now, but if labour is voted back in then it will get much much worse. Another 5 years of the Tories would slowly (slower than it has to be admitadely) get the economy back on its feet benefiting everyone. Five years of Labour and I pity the poor sods that have to clear up the mess in 2020.

Lol its like history is being rewritten in front of my eyes. It was labour that destroyed the country.

You see this is why I'm angry because it's not that the poor have been 'worst' hit because the rich seem to be flourishing as if they haven't been hit at all. Progressive taxation has been proven to work in the past and I believe Labour is returning to it's roots and deserves another chance. After all, it is the the Attlee Labour Government that provided us with the welfare reforms that make up the basis of what we have today. Another 5 years of the Conservatives and I honestly believe all that Bevan worked so hard for will be destroyed! Plus, I honestly believe Cameron is no longer completely fit for the job, he seems tired of it all and all parties eventually have to stop and recuperate in order to return ready for the fight. Anyway, regardless.. as long as UKIP aren't in power I'll be content!