The Arsenal Thread XXII

Can I point out that ATM, Porto are dicking Bayern?

Yes they are, they do what you don't (bottle the first leg), yet your fans will still have a self-righteous nature and I would bet my house there'll be Arsenal fans on Twitter saying "if we had beat Monaco we could've/would've beat Bayern and would be in semi-finals" and that sort of bull****.

Neuer gets a yellow, yet Shezza got red, inconsistent reffing will be the death of football..

Say something about Lehmann 2006

on the specific point of Bayern, we have shown we have the ability to beat them (at least over one leg), so it's not as ridiculous as you make out

Lehmann deserved the red...but the ref could have just played on and let Barca go 1-0 up.

Satisfied?

Interesting, where do you feel you've shown this ability

Interesting, where do you feel you've shown this ability

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21681052

Yes, it was 2013, but if anything our team has progressed massively since then, and we have shown an ability to win big games such as City and United away.

Did you miss the 2-0 game in 2013?

But in a one legged tie, Bayern wouldn't be playing like they didn't give a ****, and Arsenal wouldn't have any pressure on them. Look at your glorious failures vs Milan and Monaco in recent years too.

You're bottlers and you thrive when the pressure is off. So overall, yes, the idea that 'we would've beat Bayern and made it to the semi finals' is as ridiculous as he's making out.

That's why I said, and I quote, "at least over one leg".

You fluked a win against a **** unmotivated Bayern two years ago.

There's no evidence to suggest that you have the ability/any more than a minimal chance of doing the same against a Bayern team today which is significantly different to that team.

Furthermore, you mentioned the concept of one leg as part of an overall message saying that beating Bayern over a two legged tie wasn't a ridiculous idea. Which is wrong, because it is. Very ridiculous. Try beating ****ing Monaco first

You say fluked, yet you provided multiple other examples of our glorious failures. I'm not deluded, I realize that, by all logic, we would get dominated by Bayern. My point is that it has happened before, and as seen against Porto, could happen again. Arsenal is a team that is awful under pressure (although getting better), and almost unplayable when there is no pressure (seen by our yearly end-of-season runs, and our glorious failures).

Finally, don't say we 'fluked a victory' away at Bayern, then use a game where Monaco beat us away as an example of how awful we are. By your logic, Monaco fluked a victory against us, so that point is meaningless.

You say fluked, yet you provided multiple other examples of our glorious failures. I'm not deluded, I realize that, by all logic, we would get dominated by Bayern. My point is that it has happened before, and as seen against Porto, could happen again. Arsenal is a team that is awful under pressure (although getting better), and almost unplayable when there is no pressure (seen by our yearly end-of-season runs, and our glorious failures).

Finally, don't say we 'fluked a victory' away at Bayern, then use a game where Monaco beat us away as an example of how awful we are. By your logic, Monaco fluked a victory against us, so that point is meaningless.

End point: yes, it is completely ridiculous to suggest that Arsenal could've/would've beat Bayern this year.

'Would've', I agree, but 'could've'? Was it ridiculous to suggest Porto could've beaten Bayern?

Tbh with 'could've' I'll concede and say I shouldn't have added that in, when I actually meant 'would've'.

There's lots of 'could've's in football that come true, and that's why we watch it.

Cheers for conceding that, and in that case, I fully agree with what you've said.

I edited, and I didn't say 'could've' through the discussion, so irdk how you agree...

I agree that, based on logic alone, no-one can say Arsenal 'would've' beaten Bayern (different to 'could've', which you then said you shouldn't have included).