Why do immigrants regard England as a state rather than as an inheritance?

Roast beef didn't come from France, and I'm sorry but they aren't English, they're British

There are tons of English and Anglo-Saxon surnames, what are you talking about?

I didn't claim any such thing, but there's a view that, in proportion to population size at various times, the immigration waves were proportionally just as large. As an example, fifty thousand French Huguenots emigrated from France to England in 1708-9.

Certainly.

Wow, your whole argument is based on a total of 50,000 Huguenot refugees

Never claimed that. I said the tradition of Sunday lunch did.



You lol'd, as if my request was absurd, implying there were none. So throw a surname at me!

No, it was an example. And that's just England. I've not quoted figures for Wales or Scotland. And people back then got the wind up about these dirty foreigners taking over their country just as much as some people do now.

Sunday dinner does not come France

Shakespeare is an exampel of an English surname

It was literally one year of refugees, not an open border policy of half a million immigrants every year, stop comparing the two situations

Yeah it does. From the Normans, to be precise.



Ah yes, and the first recorded person to have that name was William Sakespere, which was dated 1248, in the Old Charters of Gloucestershire, during the reign of King Henry 111, known as "The Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.

Again, you're assuming it was in isolation. There was tons of other immigration taking place. The Dutch swamped East Anglia and practically dominated the trading system there. Jews began returning to this country from the 1650s. Africans littered the docklands of London. Poles and Lithuanians settled here, too.

The East India Company relied heavily on Indians to crew its ships and they moved to London in droves. They gave us shampoo, curry, and pyjamas - nice one!

lol, it does not come from the Normans

Are you denying its an English name?

Wow, damning retort there. My dad's tougher than your dad.

9It appears that a Frenchman adopted the surname in the mid-1200s for tax purposes.

You're not giving me any numbers, I know there have been other immgrants into the UK, the point is they all intermixed with the natives and were absorbed in, you're arguing semantics

Do you have proof it comes from Normandy?

Yeah thats literally what the English language is, French people trying to speak Anglo-Saxon

You're not giving me any numbers, I know there have been other immgrants into the UK, the point is they all intermixed with the natives and were absorbed in, you're arguing semantics

Clearly, it wasn't simply that they were 'absorbed in'. They fundamentally changed English way of life. A lot of what people assume has always been 'English' is actually dependent upon waves of immigrants to teach us or inspire us with new habits. The Huguenots were highly industrious, hard-working people, and founded a powerful silk weaving industry here that sparked a new wave of empire building. The Jews set up the early English financial system. The Dutch established advanced trade networks between England and the Low Countries, allowing us to eventually lick them in the Navigation Wars. The Indians manned our Company ships, strengthening our competitiveness abroad, and brought in a new concept of personal hygeine, sleeping comfort, and good food.

The Italians gave us ice cream and ice cream vans.

So once they absorbed in that makes them English rather than British? Surely that crossing back on the argument that English ethnically means white and Anglo Saxon

Industiralisation is just a generally Protestant thing but anyway,

nobody is arguing immigrants haven't effected this country, we're talking about the English ethnicity which is.... white.

The majority of English people are the same genetically, the immigrant from the past were small controlled groups that were absorbed in, many will have some ancestry from France or elsewhere but the most of their ancestry you'll find is native