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Wouldn't say champagne football but it was decent football more like. We play high intensity for 20-30mins then we went to that energy conserving football after we got our goals in the first half. Teams realised that we'll try a high intensity game middle of the first half so they just bus parked from the offset like Southampton and Sunderland did.
Since then Mourinho has just been adapting to find ways to win a game without using too much energy, which gives us the appearance of being grinders, i.e. the high focus on attacking set pieces, the slow transition play, pushing the wingers deep and congesting the middle whenever the players do get into space rather than using width.
Since then Mourinho has just been adapting to find ways to win a game without using too much energy, which gives us the appearance of being grinders, i.e. the high focus on attacking set pieces, the slow transition play, pushing the wingers deep and congesting the middle whenever the players do get into space rather than using width.
Original post by Jgco2chem
My point is about Sanchez being fourth, I agree Hazards consistency to change games edges him to win the poty however he is not far behind and deserves a minimum of 3rd otherwise 2nd since it is his 1st season.
Sanchez has been good but has faded away over the past dozen games, it's the same reason Cesc and Eriksen have been ignored in favour of Coutinho. Sanchez has been brilliant, yes, but 4th is about right. Hazard has been the best player in the title-winning team, and whilst Costa has had more goals, Cesc has had more assists, Courtois has been amazing, and Terry has been a wall, Hazard is undeniably the crucial component of Chelsea's squad. Kane has had an unbelievable season for a 21 year old, and managed to drag that Tottenham squad out of mediocrity, rather like Bale. De Gea saved United's top 4 aspirations, and has been the most influential goalkeeper this season. Sanchez deserves 4th, no higher.
I don't think Coutinho deserves anything really, people have let Brazilian flair blind them. Cesc and Sigurdsson deserve some recognition
Original post by sevchenko
I don't think Coutinho deserves anything really, people have let Brazilian flair blind them. Cesc and Sigurdsson deserve some recognition
Deserves it, yeah, but no chance.
Original post by Pimped Butterfly
They played champagne football in the first half of the campaign. Then Fabregas and Costa dipped, and Mourinho got them grinding.
Even if it was grinding for the whole season, yes. Generally, success > everything.
Even if it was grinding for the whole season, yes. Generally, success > everything.
Except if every team played like Chelsea's second half of the campaign style, no one would watch football. I'd rather watch paint dry than see a MOTD highlights of team after team parking the bus.
Both teams parking the bus = 0-0 with 0 shots on target [don't think that's ever happened before]
Original post by Pete_91
Except if every team played like Chelsea's second half of the campaign style, no one would watch football. I'd rather watch paint dry than see a MOTD highlights of team after team parking the bus.
Arsenal traditionally employed defensive tactics, it was Spurs who was traditionally associated with fancy football but Arsenal found alot of success with a defensive style. We were famous for regular 1-0 wins. We'd go one up and park the bus for the rest of the match hence the chant "one nil to the Arsenal". It was really the epitome of classic English football at the time.
Let's not forget we went to Anfield in 89' and snatched the league title from under their noses with a classic smash and grab.
Original post by Pete_91
Except if every team played like Chelsea's second half of the campaign style, no one would watch football. I'd rather watch paint dry than see a MOTD highlights of team after team parking the bus.
Meh you guys didn't help the situation with your run and cross tactic...
rumours of city bidding 30m for wilshire..
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Original post by fallen_acorns
rumours of city bidding 30m for wilshire..
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Would you take it? (if at all true)
no substance. City can't continue spending £30m each on players every year and we've seen how their signings are usually one season wonders
Original post by fallen_acorns
rumours of city bidding 30m for wilshire..
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Yes, he'll just sit the season out injured anyway
Original post by fallen_acorns
rumours of city bidding 30m for wilshire..
Would you take it? (if at all true)
Would you take it? (if at all true)
No. Wilshere has another 10 years in him, and his potential is still unbelievable. 30m for one of England's best midfielders at only his age would be a steal.
if this 14m for lloris thing is true.. then we should be all over that.
great price for a keeper who still has many years left in him.
- I have 0% expectations that we will. but it would be great if it did happen
great price for a keeper who still has many years left in him.
- I have 0% expectations that we will. but it would be great if it did happen
Being "one of England's best midfielders" doesn't really have the same ring to it as it did 10 years ago. It doesn't really say that much about Wilshere's ability, he is also below Henderson in the pecking order and he isn't worth 30 million either.
The people wanting to sell wilshere and are bashing him need to remember the Ramsey fiasco as they'll have egg on their face when he comes good.
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Original post by Numan786
The people wanting to sell wilshere and are bashing him need to remember the Ramsey fiasco as they'll have egg on their face when he comes good.
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Wilshere is good hes just injury prone.
"Professional hospital patient blighted by football"
Original post by trrr
Being "one of England's best midfielders" doesn't really have the same ring to it as it did 10 years ago. It doesn't really say that much about Wilshere's ability, he is also below Henderson in the pecking order and he isn't worth 30 million either.
No he's not below hendo and he's probably worth about that much if not more quite easily.
Wenger won't sell him for any price tbh though.
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Sanchez's form has dipped well off the last 3-4 months. Still can't understand all these kids crying about Hazard winning the POTY over him in the FB and Twitter comment sections. For reference, this is only stats and doesn't really take into account performances, considering the way the media has singled out Fabregas for dipping in the second half of the season (somewhat justifiably) you don't hear anywhere near the same sort of the thing for Sanchez.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25244/Fixtures/Alexis-Snchez
In the first half of the season, let's say up to the 17th/18th of January, Sanchez had 17 goals in all competitions and 9 assists, while Fabregas had 4 goals and 20 assists. Pretty similar records given Sanchez plays in a more attacking and freer role than Fabregas, and was Arsenal's focal point for goals with Ozil and Giroud out injured.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8040/Fixtures/Cesc-Fbregas
Since that weekend when Arsenal played City and Chelsea Swansea (both away), Sanchez has had 2 assists and 4 goals, whilst Fabregas has 2 assists and 1 goal.
By comparison, Hazard has been very consistent with 11 goals in all competitions up until that weekend, with 6 assists, and with 8 goals and 5 assists after including winners in most of them.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/Fixtures/Eden-Hazard
Harry Kane on the other-hand http://www.whoscored.com/Players/83532/Fixtures/Harry-Kane, had 16 goals up until that weekend with 3 assists, although 5 of those were against Besiktas and Asteras Tripolis in the Europa League as well as one goal and an assist in the domestic cup competitions. Since that weekend he's scored 9 goals with 3 assists including one hat-trick against Leicester at home. What surprised me about Kane is that, as brilliant as he's been judging by when he's scored it tends to be in spells. He scored 5 in 3 games against West Brom, Liverpool and Arsenal, then only got 1 in 5 games, then 5 in another 3 games and since then one goal and one assist in his last 5.
Also as brilliant as he's been, when the BBC et al say he's had a 30+ goal season, whilst he's very close, it's not strictly true as their including goals scored for England u21's, which is blatant stat padding to hype him up more by the media. When have they ever included International, let alone non-senior international stats, when discussing any other player?
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25244/Fixtures/Alexis-Snchez
In the first half of the season, let's say up to the 17th/18th of January, Sanchez had 17 goals in all competitions and 9 assists, while Fabregas had 4 goals and 20 assists. Pretty similar records given Sanchez plays in a more attacking and freer role than Fabregas, and was Arsenal's focal point for goals with Ozil and Giroud out injured.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8040/Fixtures/Cesc-Fbregas
Since that weekend when Arsenal played City and Chelsea Swansea (both away), Sanchez has had 2 assists and 4 goals, whilst Fabregas has 2 assists and 1 goal.
By comparison, Hazard has been very consistent with 11 goals in all competitions up until that weekend, with 6 assists, and with 8 goals and 5 assists after including winners in most of them.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/Fixtures/Eden-Hazard
Harry Kane on the other-hand http://www.whoscored.com/Players/83532/Fixtures/Harry-Kane, had 16 goals up until that weekend with 3 assists, although 5 of those were against Besiktas and Asteras Tripolis in the Europa League as well as one goal and an assist in the domestic cup competitions. Since that weekend he's scored 9 goals with 3 assists including one hat-trick against Leicester at home. What surprised me about Kane is that, as brilliant as he's been judging by when he's scored it tends to be in spells. He scored 5 in 3 games against West Brom, Liverpool and Arsenal, then only got 1 in 5 games, then 5 in another 3 games and since then one goal and one assist in his last 5.
Also as brilliant as he's been, when the BBC et al say he's had a 30+ goal season, whilst he's very close, it's not strictly true as their including goals scored for England u21's, which is blatant stat padding to hype him up more by the media. When have they ever included International, let alone non-senior international stats, when discussing any other player?
Original post by The Shed End
Sanchez's form has dipped well off the last 3-4 months. Still can't understand all these kids crying about Hazard winning the POTY over him in the FB and Twitter comment sections. For reference, this is only stats and doesn't really take into account performances, considering the way the media has singled out Fabregas for dipping in the second half of the season (somewhat justifiably) you don't hear anywhere near the same sort of the thing for Sanchez.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25244/Fixtures/Alexis-Snchez
In the first half of the season, let's say up to the 17th/18th of January, Sanchez had 17 goals in all competitions and 9 assists, while Fabregas had 4 goals and 20 assists. Pretty similar records given Sanchez plays in a more attacking and freer role than Fabregas, and was Arsenal's focal point for goals with Ozil and Giroud out injured.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8040/Fixtures/Cesc-Fbregas
Since that weekend when Arsenal played City and Chelsea Swansea (both away), Sanchez has had 2 assists and 4 goals, whilst Fabregas has 2 assists and 1 goal.
By comparison, Hazard has been very consistent with 11 goals in all competitions up until that weekend, with 6 assists, and with 8 goals and 5 assists after including winners in most of them.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/Fixtures/Eden-Hazard
Harry Kane on the other-hand http://www.whoscored.com/Players/83532/Fixtures/Harry-Kane, had 16 goals up until that weekend with 3 assists, although 5 of those were against Besiktas and Asteras Tripolis in the Europa League as well as one goal and an assist in the domestic cup competitions. Since that weekend he's scored 9 goals with 3 assists including one hat-trick against Leicester at home. What surprised me about Kane is that, as brilliant as he's been judging by when he's scored it tends to be in spells. He scored 5 in 3 games against West Brom, Liverpool and Arsenal, then only got 1 in 5 games, then 5 in another 3 games and since then one goal and one assist in his last 5.
Also as brilliant as he's been, when the BBC et al say he's had a 30+ goal season, whilst he's very close, it's not strictly true as their including goals scored for England u21's, which is blatant stat padding to hype him up more by the media. When have they ever included International, let alone non-senior international stats, when discussing any other player?
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25244/Fixtures/Alexis-Snchez
In the first half of the season, let's say up to the 17th/18th of January, Sanchez had 17 goals in all competitions and 9 assists, while Fabregas had 4 goals and 20 assists. Pretty similar records given Sanchez plays in a more attacking and freer role than Fabregas, and was Arsenal's focal point for goals with Ozil and Giroud out injured.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8040/Fixtures/Cesc-Fbregas
Since that weekend when Arsenal played City and Chelsea Swansea (both away), Sanchez has had 2 assists and 4 goals, whilst Fabregas has 2 assists and 1 goal.
By comparison, Hazard has been very consistent with 11 goals in all competitions up until that weekend, with 6 assists, and with 8 goals and 5 assists after including winners in most of them.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/Fixtures/Eden-Hazard
Harry Kane on the other-hand http://www.whoscored.com/Players/83532/Fixtures/Harry-Kane, had 16 goals up until that weekend with 3 assists, although 5 of those were against Besiktas and Asteras Tripolis in the Europa League as well as one goal and an assist in the domestic cup competitions. Since that weekend he's scored 9 goals with 3 assists including one hat-trick against Leicester at home. What surprised me about Kane is that, as brilliant as he's been judging by when he's scored it tends to be in spells. He scored 5 in 3 games against West Brom, Liverpool and Arsenal, then only got 1 in 5 games, then 5 in another 3 games and since then one goal and one assist in his last 5.
Also as brilliant as he's been, when the BBC et al say he's had a 30+ goal season, whilst he's very close, it's not strictly true as their including goals scored for England u21's, which is blatant stat padding to hype him up more by the media. When have they ever included International, let alone non-senior international stats, when discussing any other player?
good post.
I wonder whether sanchez dip in goal scoring form just happened to coinside with giroud coming back into the team.. or if there was a connection there. Would not explain it all.. but just around when you point out that sanchez fell away a bit, is just when giroud was hitting form.
Could just be that we got lucky, with one player coming into his game, as another faded
But I would not be suprised if a slight shift in focus away from sanchez and towards giroud, had some small impact on sanchez scoring numbers
I think second assist stats would be interesting to see as it gives more of an indication just how involved a player is in goals. However those are usually really difficult to find online and the only way to really do it is by watching all the goals scored, would be pretty confident that Fabregas and Hazard/Oscar would have involvement in 4 or 5 more goals than they are awarded officially and probably the same for Sanchez.
Might do that at some point.
Might do that at some point.
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