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وعنه، عن محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن الحسين بن سعيد عن النضر بن سويد، عن عاصم بن حميد، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: من زعم أن الله من شئ أو في شئ أو على شئ فقد كفر، قلت: فسر لي؟ قال: أعني بالحواية من الشئ له أو بامساك له أو من شئ سبقه. وفي رواية اخرى: من زعم ان الله من شئ فقد جعله محدثا، ومن زعم أنه في شئ فقد جعله محصورا، ومن زعم أنه على شئ فقد جعله محمولا.


And from him from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from al-Husayn b. Sa`eed from an-Nadr b. Suwayd from `Asem b. Hameed from Abu Baseer from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.

He said: Whoever alleges that Allah is from something, or in something, or upon something has disbelieved. I said: Explain to me. He said: By this I mean [the belief that] He is contained, held, or being preceded.

And in another narration: Whoever alleges that Allah is from something has made Him into a creation, and whoever alleges that He is in something has made Him constrained, and whoever alleges that He is upon something has made Him carried. (al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 329)

(hasan) (حسن)
Original post by Tawheed
A speech by a respected speaker in the ahlul sunnah wal jamaah.

[video="youtube;EsES-F_ySeM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsES-F_ySeM[/video]

Peace be with you,

In many hadiths we are told before making dua's to send blessings upon Muhammed pbuh and his ahlulbayt a.s (shia hadith books)

The shia view with regards to who is the ahlulbayt a.s are Muhammed pbuh, Fatima a.s, Ali a.s, Hassan a.s , Hussein a.s and the chosen descendents who preserve the sunnah of Muhammed pbuh, ending with Imam Mahdi a.s as the twelfth.

Whether that was added or not i'll ask, but it's recommended to in several saheeh hadiths to send blessings on Muhammed pbuh and his ahlulbayt a.s, irregardless.

To give you a fully balanced explanation:

Narrated Aisha:
One day the Prophet (S) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn ‘Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husayn came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then ‘Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O’ People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."
Sahih Muslim

With regards to the latter portion of verse 33:33, there is not a single hadith in existence in any authentic books i have found where the Ahlulbayt a.s are referred to as other than these five. Yes, Ahlulbayt in the wider context can mean family, but it is here where we have the more exclusive ahlulbayt, a separate group given a separate distinction.


Sahih Bukhari: "It was said, "O Allah’s Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?”The Prophet said, "Say: O Allah! Send your blessings/greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family,.."


Additionally, we take the exclusive group of the ahlulbayt a.s as those who preserve the Sunnah, as Muhammed pbuh in one of his last mass speeches to the Ummah gave instructions as to the two precious things we must hold - the Quran and the Ahlulbayt a.s The word precious denotes value, and not the erroneous conclusion of simply looking after, but as a source of guidance and that best fits the context.



"Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (S) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: "O’ people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance...The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times)."
Sahih Muslim,


So to summarise:
1. The only hadiths inwhich a group of people are attributed to the latter of verse 33:33 are the hadiths which only exclusively include Ali a.s, Hasan a.s Hussein a.s Fatima a.s, with the leader Muhammed pbuh. No other group is ever included in this verse, and it's relevant because it restricts the meaning of ahlulbayt a.s to it's contexual meaning i.e while ahlulbayt has a wider meaning, Allah swt here is giving recognition of perfect purification only to a select group.

2. The only authentic hadith in the sihah-al-sitta where Muhammed pbuh states he is leaving behind two things is the Quran and the Ahlulbayt a.s. The word precious denotes something of value, of guidance. If Muhammed pbuh had meant 'look after my family' he could have said it to the banu-hashim, to the men , in a smaller gathering. Furthermore, again when using the word 'two precious' or 'two weighty things' they denote value, guidance, a source to grab and are what we adhere to in the absence of Muhammed pbuh, and is juxtaposed next to the Quran. This is a clear indication where to obtain his true sunnah from.

3. In Salawat it is improper to only send blessings to Muhamme pbuh - his ahlulbayt a.s , the chosen restricted group given distinction by Allah swt and not the wider meaning of ahlulbayt a.s , and other hadiths state to recite salawat before making a dua

4. The chosen of the ahlulbayt who we must hold fast to are the ones we must send -blessings on, the ones Muhammed pbuh meant when he said 'I leave behind two things - the Quran and the Ahlulbayt a.s' and the ones who were referred to in the latter portion of verse 33:33 where Allah swt states : "Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying."

5. As the Ahlulbayt a.s and the purified descendents(Imams a.s) who preserve the sunnah are included in all of this, we recite salawat on them i.e Muhammed pbuh and his family


So Jafar al Sadiq RA isnt infallible?
Via Salah Sharief

Question: If you were diagnosed and prescribed medicine by a doctor who spent 10 years studying, 20 years practicing, and another 10 years specialising in his field, would you turn around and say: “Actually doctor, I did GCSE biology, plus I read an article last night, and so I think its pretty clear that surgery is the best option”

Why, then, are people so insistent on making bold claims in Sharia, which is a deeper science than medicine? This is not a rhetorical question. If you make claims of shirk, then why don’t do diagnose yourself instead of going to the GP? Do you really think 1400 years of development of Islamic science is that simple? When a scholar makes a ruling, and you say, “yah..but the prophet (saw) said…” do you not think the scholar in question already knows this hadith and weighed it up against other ahadith, ayat, and evidences?

“People make fatwas, then when I ask them to explain the grammar behind an ayah, they’re stuck” - NAK

In class it takes us between 1-2 hours to go through a single hadith; checking the chain of narration, discussing the ruling, the implications, and scholarly comments. There are more than 7500 hadith in sahih bukhari alone…thats 7,500-15,000 hours to go through Saheeh bukhari alone - once.

So how about we show some respect for those who have ijazat in the whole of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, and much much more. How about we humble ourselves and know our place?

PS: No, that doesn’t mean we are blind followers. We ask for proof, and if a scholar has a more convincing proof than another, then we are free to follow that opinion. However when the scholars say one thing, and the laymen say another, best believe we instantly know who’s correct


I agree with the general message. Too many people (especially on this forum) cherry pick single hadith to further their agenda. The funniest ones are those ego-maniacs who think their understanding of Islam is superior to a scholars because they've spent a couple minutes on google.
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Original post by Tawheed
When procrastinating for exams i watched one or two episodes

[video="youtube;RfqNH3FoGi0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfqNH3FoGi0[/video]


Lol It's pretty good. I miss the good old days of playing it when little.
Original post by IdeasForLife
Lol It's pretty good. I miss the good old days of playing it when little.


Old days? I still have my deck and like to boost my ego by beating my little brother from time to time.
Original post by Ibn Fulaan
Old days? I still have my deck and like to boost my ego by beating my little brother from time to time.


Make sure you stay away from the Dark Magicians...
I try and say this before exams - kinda alleviates some amount of pressure lol. Should be relevant for most of us here, with the upcoming exams and all

Allahumma la sahla illa ma ja'altahu sahla, wa 'anta taj-alul hazna idha shi'ta sahla.

"O Allah! There is nothing easy except what You make easy, and You make the difficult easy if it be Your Will."
Original post by killa78
Make sure you stay away from the Dark Magicians...


Dw it's a water based deck so it's all halal
Original post by Ibn Fulaan
Dw it's a water based deck so it's all halal


I had the original yugi deck, also a zombie and warrior deck and a few boosters....it isn't fun by oneself.
Found the games more fun plus you can get as many cards as you want.

Original post by IdeasForLife
Via Salah Sharief



I agree with the general message. Too many people (especially on this forum) cherry pick single hadith to further their agenda. The funniest ones are those ego-maniacs who think their understanding of Islam is superior to a scholars because they've spent a couple minutes on google.


Definitely seen that example multiple times....why go to someone who's not an expert and expect results loool.
Salaam,
I wanted to ask a question (which may be stupid because I cant seem to find the answer online), is it necessary to complete the recitation of a particular surah in your salaah? For example if I've only learnt half of surah Yusuf would it be ok to recite that half in my salaah or would I need to recite a complete surah?
Hope that makes sense :redface:
Original post by Biryani007
Salaam,
I wanted to ask a question (which may be stupid because I cant seem to find the answer online), is it necessary to complete the recitation of a particular surah in your salaah? For example if I've only learnt half of surah Yusuf would it be ok to recite that half in my salaah or would I need to recite a complete surah?
Hope that makes sense :redface:

Wa alaikumussalaam no it's not necessary. In salaah with the Imam he reads some parts of surah as well e.g. surah rahman not all of it. You can read how much you want.
Original post by Biryani007
Salaam,
I wanted to ask a question (which may be stupid because I cant seem to find the answer online), is it necessary to complete the recitation of a particular surah in your salaah? For example if I've only learnt half of surah Yusuf would it be ok to recite that half in my salaah or would I need to recite a complete surah?
Hope that makes sense :redface:


Original post by kyoti
Wa alaikumussalaam no it's not necessary. In salaah with the Imam he reads some parts of surah as well e.g. surah rahman not all of it. You can read how much you want.


From what I understand, the minimum is 3 ayaat of the Qur'an, with it being disliked starting from the middle of a Surah.
Original post by killa78
From what I understand, the minimum is 3 ayaat of the Qur'an, with it being disliked starting from the middle of a Surah.


I am unsure about it being makruh to start from the middle but yes the minimum from what i have been taught and from what i have read is the length of three short ayahs. I.e. if one was to read the ayah of debt which is a page on the standard 15 line madani mushaf it would be sufficient.

And Allah knows best.
Original post by Ibn Fulaan
I am unsure about it being makruh to start from the middle but yes the minimum from what i have been taught and from what i have read is the length of three short ayahs. I.e. if one was to read the ayah of debt which is a page on the standard 15 line madani mushaf it would be sufficient.

And Allah knows best.


Why can't you start from the middle? In taraweeh the imam carries on reading whether it be start, middle or end? Unless taraweeh doesn't count. :yes:

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Original post by Biryani007
Salaam,
I wanted to ask a question (which may be stupid because I cant seem to find the answer online), is it necessary to complete the recitation of a particular surah in your salaah? For example if I've only learnt half of surah Yusuf would it be ok to recite that half in my salaah or would I need to recite a complete surah?
Hope that makes sense :redface:


Wa'aleykum assalaam

As far as I am aware the minimum you can read is 3 ayaat (as mentioned by others) but it doesn't have to be the whole surah or from the start necessarily - from what I've observed from praying behind the head of my isoc is that he reads ayaat from the middle of surahs sometimes, like Surah Al Baqarah. Obviously if one had to read the whole of Surah Baqarah for example during salah, it would be hard upon muslims lol
Is voting haraam?
Original post by Enginerd.
Why can't you start from the middle? In taraweeh the imam carries on reading whether it be start, middle or end? Unless taraweeh doesn't count. :yes:

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I have never heard about it being disliked not starting in the middle of a surah.
Original post by Zamestaneh
Is voting haraam?


No
Original post by Ibn Fulaan
I have never heard about it being disliked not starting in the middle of a surah.


Me too, sorry for quoting you, wasn't meant to. :ahee:

Majority of the time I have read salah behind an Imaam, they normally don't start from the start esp. if it's a long surah.

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To everyone doing exams. Insh'Allah all the best.

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