The Anime Society 5: Tentacles For All!

I'm ever suspicious of the online tests. You often see people typed one thing by them and then something different by the professional typists. Because MBTI takes Jungian typology and tries to make it accessible to the masses (in the form of a free, online test), a lot of it is based of behavioral typology rather than the cognitive functions Jung was actually describing. For instance, Judging in the MBTI is indicative of an affinity for rules, order, precision, etc. when the original meaning of 'J' in xxxJ was just to indicate which of the functions was extroverted. For instance, in ISFJ, Feeling is the extroverted function (since the feeling function is a judging function). In ENTP, Intuition is the extraverted function (because it ends in 'P'.

You can take this a step further with the I/Exxx: Jung didn't mean for them to be associated with your sociability. That's unrelated to your functions. The introversion is supposed to denote the attitude of your first function. In the case of ISFJ, it's sensing. So you've got Si, Fe as the main two (then Ti and Ne). See? Works great when used properly xD Typology isn't so concerned with how you act but WHY you act that way.

Sorry I didn't quite understand what you're explaining and I'm quite curious about it. Do you mind explaining it to me? Thanks if you do

I could write 3, maybe 4 essays here explaining different parts, but I'll try to give an incredibly brief review in the hope that I don't lose you in the process but you can still see what's going on.

When you take a MBTI test, you get assigned a 4 letter acronym which corresponds to a personality type. Most tests will tell you that, if you're an INTJ, you're a person who likes to keep to himself rather than socialize, is creative/imaginative, prefers rationality over ethics, and orderliness over spontaneity. The problem is, this is just scratching the surface and makes behavioral based assumptions, deviating away from what typology is really about. This is because Typology was started by a psychologist called Carl Jung, and was written in a style meant for other psychologists to read, but years later a mother and daughter, Myers-Briggs, took Jung's work, and made it accessible to the public by simplifying the work and making an easy test to find out your type.

When you look deeper into typology, you'll find that we describe 8 functions that describe your thought process and information metabolism: Broadly, they can be split into Judging and Perceiving: The Perceiving functions, Intuition and Sensing, are how we perceive or observe the world. Your Judging functions, Thinking and Feeling, are how we assimilate data in a coherent order -- it's how we reason with the data observed through the Perceiving functions.

Each function has an 'attitude', introverted and extroverted. Simply put, extroversion is an objective attitude, where your function perceives or judges the object (the thing you're processing) removed from the subject (you), introversion is a subjective attitude, where your function will perceive or judge in a way specific to you, forming a unique impression based on other data you've taken in before.

With thinking, feeling, sensing and intuition, and the attitudes introversion and extroversion, we have 8 functions that can be used in different combinations to most accurately describe your thought process:
The Judging Functions: Extroverted Thinking (Te), Introverted Thinking (Ti), Extroverted Feeling (Fe), Introverted Feeling (Fi), and;
The Perceiving Functions: Extroverted Sensing (Se), Introverted Sensing (Si), Extroverted Intuition (Ne), Introverted Intuition (Ni).

Now, when I look at INTJ, I don't see Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judger anymore, because what it's actually describing is my functional makeup (Ni, Te, Fi, Se)*
The functions are far more useful at describing personalities than the dichotomies used in the MBTI tests, and are far more accurate because they don't stereotype in an useless way like Myers Briggs does. The introverted attitude has nothing to do with sociability, it just means that that person's primary mode of working with an object is to do so in their inner world, assimilating the object into himself. It's true that somebody with a primary introverted function, like introverted intuition for an INTJ, is more likely to not be sociable, because they are more comfortable as observers, but an INFJ, for instance, also has an introverted primary function and they are usually quite extroverted (because their functional makeup is Ni Fe Ti Se, and the Ni-Fe likes people systems, while my Ni-Te likes systems).

*To understand how you get from the 4 letter type to the 4 different functions, you follow quite a simple set of rules:
In the case of INTJ again, we learn from the letters that my main two functions are intuition and thinking (the letters in the middle), and that the judging function is the extroverted one (because the last letter is 'J' for judging), and lastly that my introverted function (which we then deduce will be intuition since my thinking is extroverted -- they are always opposite) is my primary function.

So the order is Ni, Te. Then you ask, well what about the other functions? Basically, the system takes two perceiving functions and two judging functions with opposite attitudes (one extroverted and one extroverted, or rational and irrational, or objective and subjective), and polarizes them -- meaning if Introverted Intuition is my strongest function, Extroverted Sensing is my weakest (you see that you're both judging functions?). Then we do the same with my Te. The opposing function is Introverted Feeling, and since Te is my second strongest, Fi is my second weakest. Thus, Ni, Te, Fi, Se.

Another example: The ESTP:
Sensing and Thinking
Perceiving function is extroverted, so Se
Means judging function is introverted, so Ti
Extroverted function is strongest so order is Se, Ti
Opposite of Se is Ni, so Se, Ti, ___ , Ni
Ti's opposing function is Fe, so Se, Ti, Fe, Ni

ENTJ:
Te, Ni, Se, Fi

ISFJ:
Si, Fe, Ti, Ne, etc.

I hope that was at least partially comprehensive.

Partially comprehensive is the way to describe it! I also read another article about it, here's the link: http://mbtitoday.org/carl-jung-psychological-type/

What I don't understand is why your judging function is extroverted? So let me see if I've got this right, I'm an INTP so would my functions be Ni, Te, Fi, Se?

INTP's Perceiving function is extroverted, because it ends in 'P'.
So your function stack would be Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. The functional order you described is INTJ.

The site you linked has dodgy definitions about energy and introversion/extroversion, etc. Not good. It's more about objective/subjective than whether it energies you.

EDIT: The reason for WHY is extroverted or introverted is more difficult to explain. Generally, most people will read the function descriptions, figure out which is their primary function, then work out the rest from there.

Ok, definitely confused now. Is the last letter always extroverted? Because for INTJ you said the judging function was extroverted and for INTP you said the perceiving function was extroverted? When would it be introverted? Or is it the case that if the first letter is I (introverted) then the last one, whether P or J, would be extroverted, and vice versa?

XXXJ = Je (Extroverted Judging function)
XXXP = Pe (Extroverted Perceiving function)

Ixxx = Introverted Primary Function
Exxx = Extroverted Primary Function.

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INTP.
Judging Function = Thinking
Perceiving Function = Intuition.
Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe

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ENTP
Judging Function = Thinking
Perceiving Function = Intuition.
Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

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INTJ
Judging Function = Thinking
Perceiving Function = Intuition.
Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ni, Te, Fi, Se

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ENTJ
Judging Function = Thinking
Perceiving Function = Intuition.
Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Te, Ni, Se, Fi

Ok I get it, so INTP would be Ti, Ne, Si, Fe ( which you've already told me but I just tried doing it myself lol) I see, interesting,thanks so much

That episode of Fate UBW... (Part 2, episode 6)

What strange language has invaded our thread?

No problem. Please excuse my lack of clarity. Interestingly, it's a common manifestation of Ni: I understand it well but in a way other people probably find counter-intuitive. Ni is intense and convergent but it's also introverted and so has a lot of impressionistic input. Compare that with Ne which is broad, expanding, and divergent, and ultimately sees patterns in an objective way which is accessible to more people more readily.

You'll notice a lot of the community who explain it in a relaxed, easy-to-manage way are ENTP and INTP because the Ti-Ne combination makes it pleasant for people to read up as a hobby, and that the dissertation style posts are made by INTJ and INFJ.

What strange language has invaded our thread? We do have a second thread specifically for off-topic chat, just so you know.

What strange language has invaded our thread? We do have a second thread specifically for off-topic chat, just so you know.



Only just watched the episode this morning... either I'd forgotten his identity, or Studio DEEN's series didn't reveal it to begin with (haven't watched it in at least 5 years, so I can't be certain which). So that was a nice twist, though I also feel stupid for not working it out sooner.

Anyone here watched Bakuman? Any good?

Anyone here watched Bakuman? Any good?

The anime isn't great - the manga is much, much better. The anime unfortunately elected to place much more focus on the rather weak romance aspect of the series instead of the hot-blooded shounen manga writing side which made for rather dull viewing. As a fan of the manga the anime was a big disappointment (still haven't steeled myself to watch the 3rd season yet).

As someone who hasn't read the manga, I quite enjoyed it. Though as Cara says, the romance aspect is definitely less interesting than the manga creation.

Any good or bad opinions on any of these shows:

Anyone here watched Bakuman? Any good?

Cheers, I might just read the manga then.

Any good or bad opinions on any of these shows:
Cross Game
Hanasaku Iroha
Gosick
Katanagatari