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Original post by Elcor
I'm not debating whether NatScis are an academically gifted cohort or not, but implying that there exists a hierarchy of difficulty and talent among subjects (and especially thinking that your subject marks you at the top of that hierarchy) is a harmful opinion to have, and I'll do all I can to avoid people that think such things if I get into Cambridge (you included I imagine).


:rofl:
Original post by frigg113
Ok well have fun avoiding everyone in cambridge.


you would have to be incredibly naive to think all subjects are equally difficult. Every cambridge student knows some subjects are harder than others, and which those are. Even the professors and DoS do. thats why they recommend people who arent doing well on the harder subjects to switch to an easier (by cambridge standards degree).

Unless you think all the DoS have harmful opinions :rolleyes:

Very few people would believe that doing a harder subject makes you better than someone who does an easier subject. but it is obvious which subjects are harder than others


Let me know when you realise difficulty is subjective :smile:
Original post by frigg113
Ok well have fun avoiding everyone in cambridge.


you would have to be incredibly naive to think all subjects are equally difficult. Every cambridge student knows some subjects are harder than others, and which those are. Even the professors and DoS do. thats why they recommend people who arent doing well on the harder subjects to switch to an easier (by cambridge standards degree).

Unless you think all the DoS have harmful opinions :rolleyes:

Very few people would believe that doing a harder subject makes you better than someone who does an easier subject. but it is obvious which subjects are harder than others


I think I agree with you

But the question is...

Which are the hardest and which are the easiest
Original post by frigg113
Ok well have fun avoiding everyone in Cambridge.


you would have to be incredibly naive to think all subjects are equally difficult. Every Cambridge student knows some subjects are harder than others, and which those are. Even the professors and DoS do. That's why they recommend people who aren't doing well on the harder subjects to switch to an easier (by Cambridge standards degree).

Unless you think all the DoS have harmful opinions :rolleyes:

Very few people would believe that doing a harder subject makes you better than someone who does an easier subject. but it is obvious which subjects are harder than others

Surely difficulty is subjective?
Original post by cerlohee
I think that's the case for humanities but not for sciences :smile:
Original post by ILovePancakes
I believe that is the norm :h:
Original post by Elcor
Based off a Tab article, I think they generally do in the Arts, but not the Sciences (probably something to do with all the diagrams and formulae you need). You won't stand out.


Excellent, just what I wanted to hear!

Original post by jneill
They are synonymshttp://www.thesaurus.com/browse/involuntaryAnyway not really all that important - let's move on :wink:Posted from TSR Mobile


I don't dispute that they have something in common - actions that are involuntary and automatic both occur without any active intention - but there is quite an important difference between something which one is unable to stop, and something which happens without any active intention but can be stopped with one. I'm very confused if you do not think there is a considerable and important difference between those terms.
Original post by tomfailinghelp
I don't dispute that they have something in common - actions that are involuntary and automatic both occur without any active intention - but there is quite an important difference between something which one is unable to stop, and something which happens without any active intention but can be stopped with one. I'm very confused if you do not think there is a considerable and important difference between those terms.


I'm not confused - I know there is a difference. I was just making a quip.
Original post by Elcor
Let me know when you realise difficulty is subjective :smile:


Difficultly is also objective.

Look up percentage fails data or percentage firsts. You're a scienctist quantify and provide evidence to your hypothesis that i'm a snob otherwise i'm inclined to my own opinion.
Original post by Goods
Difficultly is also objective.

Look up percentage fails data or percentage firsts. You're a scienctist quantify and provide evidence to your hypothesis that i'm a snob otherwise i'm inclined to my own opinion.


Are you sober?


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Original post by frigg113
you will realise when you go to cambridge.


Spoon feeding science makes no sense. You have to teach them the objective facts, how that is classed as spoon feeding i dont know..


Well its spoon feeding in so far as we're given relatively extensive notes and far more contact learning compared to other subjects. For instance we don't really need textbooks in IA because all the relevant information is gathered and condensed for us, it's nice and by god i'm grateful for it but it does result in much less independent research than other subjects entail. I don't mind people saying were spoon fed because with the amount of 'food' we have to eat i'd dread to think what it would be like if we weren't!


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Original post by Goods
Well its spoon feeding in so far as we're given relatively extensive notes and far more contact learning compared to other subjects. For instance we don't really need textbooks in IA because all the relevant information is gathered and condensed for us, it's nice and by god i'm grateful for it but it does result in much less independent research than other subjects entail. I don't mind people saying were spoon fed because with the amount of 'food' we have to eat i'd dread to think what it would be like if we weren't!


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If you dread that, dont look into the maths tripos too much then
Original post by cerlohee

Hahaha youre so funny. Is that really allyou can contribute to the discussion.

I weep for humanity..
Original post by Goods
Difficultly is also objective.

Look up percentage fails data or percentage firsts. You're a scienctist quantify and provide evidence to your hypothesis that i'm a snob otherwise i'm inclined to my own opinion.


Firsts
http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2015/04/19/which-subject-gets-firsts/

"Easiest"
1. Linguistics
2. Education
3. NatSci
4. ASNAC
.
.
"Hardest". Medics
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Original post by frigg113
Hahaha youre so funny. Is that really allyou can contribute to the discussion.

I weep for humanity..


Was genuinely asking lol but fairs :smile:

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Original post by jneill
Firsts
http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2015/04/19/which-subject-gets-firsts/

"Easiest"
1. Linguistics
2. Education
3. NatSci
4. ASNAC
.
.
"Hardest". Medics


53.1% Linguistics?!?!?

Also had no idea Natsci (44%) was so far out of whack with Maths/Compsci/Engineering, which are all basically tailored into giving 33% of the cohort 1sts.
Original post by Elcor
Let me know when you realise difficulty is subjective :smile:



Original post by ILovePancakes
Surely difficulty is subjective?



Original post by L'Evil Fish
I think I agree with you

But the question is...

Which are the hardest and which are the easiest


Perhaps opening a hornet's nest with this, but I know that poorly performing mathmos are often encouraged (for their own sakes') to switch to (physical) natsci or the management tripos.

Similarly I am aware of poorly performing phys natscis who have been encouraged to take more biological modules, or do management, and one guy even did some kind of history of science thing in his 3rd year (HSPS specialism I suppose).

The converse where poorly performing phys natscis, say, are encouraged to switch to maths, never happens.

In Engineering after second year the degree splits into standard 4 year engineering and a Manufacturing Engineering Tripos (MET) option (read: management option). Pretty much everyone who got a 2.2 in my college in second year (a large %) were very strongly encouraged to do MET. Subsequently, many went on to get a 1st in it. The one guy who got a 2.2 but stuck with standard Engineering got a 2.2 again in 3rd year then failed 4th year . . .

So yeah, sure, difficulty being subjective is technically true but in practice it seems to work almost always in one direction.

Edit: obviously this does not really say a great deal in general about the calibre of the students undertaking the various degrees. What it does suggest is that typically it is considered relatively easier by people with experience in such matters (i.e. DoSes) to pass/get an acceptable grade in certain degrees for those who are underperforming in other particular degrees.
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Original post by jneill
Firsts
http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2015/04/19/which-subject-gets-firsts/

"Easiest"
1. Linguistics
2. Education
3. NatSci
4. ASNAC
.
.
"Hardest". Medics


Im a snob.

(But we do have the fourth highest failure rate after maths engineering and theology!)


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Original post by Goods
Im a snob.

(But we do have the fourth highest failure rate after maths engineering and theology!)


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Theology? Do they stop believing?

Edit to add: found the data - highest is 2.3% (i.e. very low)
http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2015/04/26/subject-gets-fails/
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Original post by jneill
Theology? Do they stop believing?

(Data Linky?)

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Or maybe they weren't holy enough....? :biggrin:
Original post by jneill
Theology? Do they stop believing?

Edit to add: found the data - highest is 2.3% (i.e. very low)
http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2015/04/26/subject-gets-fails/


Maths eas subject with higheet percentage failing. No surprise there
Original post by frigg113
Maths eas subject with higheet percentage failing. No surprise there


...are you alright?

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