ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra terrorist groups used chemical weapons
I do not support Assad, but i see ISIS/Takfiri's/Al Nusra/ radical groups as a far bigger threat. I am for the voice of the syrian people, but for sure the vast majority of the 'fighters' are not even for the syrian people. After getting rid of these radical groups i support dialogue, and if it means Syria wants its own leader, i absolutely support them.
Secondly, it was infact not Assad who used chemical weapons, but the rebels to try and frame the government. That's how dangerous it is, that's how evil ISIS and takfiri groups are, they are blood thirsty and by far the current biggest thread to world peace.
Evidence number one: In the early 2013 chemical attacks, both UN and Russian independent investiations concluded evidence highly suggested it was infact the rebels that carried out the chemical weapons attack.
Sources
http://rt.com/news/u...al-weapons-854/
From russian investigations: "the shell used in the incident “does not belong to the standard ammunition of the Syrian army and was crudely according to type and parameters of the rocket-propelled unguided missiles manufactured in the north of Syria by the so-called Bashair al-Nasr brigade”
An analysis on the later august 21 2013 chemical weapons attack
This was by far the worst and the most brutal attacks, and the UN this time round never at all said Assad did it, but seemd to conclude evidence highly suggested it was done by syrian government forces.
However, the following points including and independent MIT study will totally blow this claim out of the water
POINT ONE: 2-3 days, or a few days before the chemical weapons attack in ghouta , inwhich so many innocent people were butchered in one of the cruelest ways by chemical weapons, Assad had invited a delegation of UN inspectors to come into Syria to investigate the use of chemical weapons. Why would Assad, who had himself invited the UN to investigate chemical weapons use admist mounting international pressure, then actually carry out the attacks himself? He would have to be the most illogical, irrational, erratic incompetent individual ever. I'm not trying to say Assad is not bad enough to do it, i'm only saying he isn't mad enough.
POINT TWO: Scientists from MIT - one of the worlds best and most respectable universities critisized he UN report and showed why it was flawed, and why the government from their bases could not have carried it out These are not syrian government sponsored individuals, they are some of the most emminent and respected scientists at one of the worlds most respected universities and arguably the best university in America.
From the MIT website itself: http://web.mit.edu/s...on Syria CW.pdf
From MIT
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
http://rt.com/news/s...cal-attack-681/
There's another must-watch or must-spread video on this topic:
<font color="#282828"><span style="font-family: helvetica">[video="youtube;dkamZg68jpk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk[/video]
Secondly, it was infact not Assad who used chemical weapons, but the rebels to try and frame the government. That's how dangerous it is, that's how evil ISIS and takfiri groups are, they are blood thirsty and by far the current biggest thread to world peace.
Evidence number one: In the early 2013 chemical attacks, both UN and Russian independent investiations concluded evidence highly suggested it was infact the rebels that carried out the chemical weapons attack.
Sources
http://rt.com/news/u...al-weapons-854/
From russian investigations: "the shell used in the incident “does not belong to the standard ammunition of the Syrian army and was crudely according to type and parameters of the rocket-propelled unguided missiles manufactured in the north of Syria by the so-called Bashair al-Nasr brigade”
An analysis on the later august 21 2013 chemical weapons attack
This was by far the worst and the most brutal attacks, and the UN this time round never at all said Assad did it, but seemd to conclude evidence highly suggested it was done by syrian government forces.
However, the following points including and independent MIT study will totally blow this claim out of the water
POINT ONE: 2-3 days, or a few days before the chemical weapons attack in ghouta , inwhich so many innocent people were butchered in one of the cruelest ways by chemical weapons, Assad had invited a delegation of UN inspectors to come into Syria to investigate the use of chemical weapons. Why would Assad, who had himself invited the UN to investigate chemical weapons use admist mounting international pressure, then actually carry out the attacks himself? He would have to be the most illogical, irrational, erratic incompetent individual ever. I'm not trying to say Assad is not bad enough to do it, i'm only saying he isn't mad enough.
POINT TWO: Scientists from MIT - one of the worlds best and most respectable universities critisized he UN report and showed why it was flawed, and why the government from their bases could not have carried it out These are not syrian government sponsored individuals, they are some of the most emminent and respected scientists at one of the worlds most respected universities and arguably the best university in America.
From the MIT website itself: http://web.mit.edu/s...on Syria CW.pdf
From MIT
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
http://rt.com/news/s...cal-attack-681/
There's another must-watch or must-spread video on this topic:
<font color="#282828"><span style="font-family: helvetica">[video="youtube;dkamZg68jpk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk[/video]
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, can you show me the official United Nations statement about this. I don't appear to be able to find it on their website.
http://www.un.org/news/
http://www.un.org/news/
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Original post by MatureStudent36
, can you show me the official United Nations statement about this. I don't appear to be able to find it on their website.
http://www.un.org/news/
http://www.un.org/news/
Ofcourse, i'm glad you're on topic. Look, we had our disagreements in the past, i want a cordial relationship with you. Lets talk , lets work together?
The UN in 2013 agreed it ws rebel groups who used the chemical weapons.
However, in late august 2013 they said there was evidence assad used it in a seperate attack.
However, scientists from the MIT criticized the UN report and took it to shreds - on the grounds of science and logic.
I'll post you the sources, i'd love to get your view mate:
UN Admittance EARLY 2013 of rebel using chemical weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmzBFyXvVI
Russia also agrees.
UN findings LATE 2013 on a different chemical attack: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181
MIT report totally refuting the LATE 2013 UN findings - these are some of the most eminent scientists in the world: http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20on%20Syria%20CW.pdf
Russia also refutes the UN report: http://rt.com/news/rebels-chemical-weapons-syria-927/
Original post by Xin Xang
They release HD videos of setting a man on fire in a cage.
They release videos that publicise the execution of homosexuals, by throwing them off a building.
But they are hiding the fact that they use chemical weapons?
Really?
They release videos that publicise the execution of homosexuals, by throwing them off a building.
But they are hiding the fact that they use chemical weapons?
Really?
The op is Iranian.
He's selective with his sources of information, and whilst refusing to acknowledge that Iran supports terrorists in the. Middle East, ignored the fact that only Assad and his regime can air launch chemical weapons.
Original post by Xin Xang
They release HD videos of setting a man on fire in a cage.
They release videos that publicise the execution of homosexuals, by throwing them off a building.
But they are hiding the fact that they use chemical weapons?
Really?
They release videos that publicise the execution of homosexuals, by throwing them off a building.
But they are hiding the fact that they use chemical weapons?
Really?
They used chemical weapons to try and spark foreign intervention not just ISIS, but the al nusra terrorist groups. They would not admit this at it would drive whatever support they have from the people against them and expose their credibility locally.
Original post by MatureStudent36
The op is Iranian.
He's selective with his sources of information, and whilst refusing to acknowledge that Iran supports terrorists in the. Middle East, ignored the fact that only Assad and his regime can air launch chemical weapons.
He's selective with his sources of information, and whilst refusing to acknowledge that Iran supports terrorists in the. Middle East, ignored the fact that only Assad and his regime can air launch chemical weapons.
I swear by God i am not Iranian.
Additionally, you are making an unevidenced statement. MIT-educated scientists disagree with you on that statement.
Original post by Tawheed
I swear by God i am not Iranian.
Additionally, you are making an unevidenced statement. MIT-educated scientists disagree with you on that statement.
Additionally, you are making an unevidenced statement. MIT-educated scientists disagree with you on that statement.
Again, care to provide evidence to back your statement up.
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
Original post by MatureStudent36
Again, care to provide evidence to back your statement up.
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
UN?
Come on bro! The UN are unreliable.
Only reliable sources are Press TV and RT.
Original post by Al-farhan
UN?
Come on bro! The UN are unreliable.
Only reliable sources are Press TV and RT.
Come on bro! The UN are unreliable.
Only reliable sources are Press TV and RT.
Original post by MatureStudent36
Again, care to provide evidence to back your statement up.
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
Peace be with you,
Firstly, the UN are not wholly reliable - and while they did agree the 'rebels' or groups among them used chemical weapons in early 2013, they were incorrect to suggest evidence pointed to government forces using it on the 21st august, later 2013. I am not even asking you to believe RT or even PRESS TV, but what about MIT educated scientists, who examined the claims - using a scientific basis- of what the UN stated, and only using science, criticized it?
These are some of the most eminent scientists in one of the best, if not the best university in the world. Surely you need to give them credibility, and read their report?
MIT scientific report on the UN findings :http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20on%20Syria%20CW.pdf
Serious Questions about the Integrity of the UN ReportAN ANALYSIS By Subrata GhoshroyResearch Affiliate Program in Science, Technology, and Society
Massachusetts Institute of TechnologyCambridge, Massachusetts, [email protected]
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
MIT is often cited as among the world's top universities.[10][11][12][13] As of 2014, 81 Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes Scholars, 38MacArthur Fellows, and 2 Fields Medalists have been affiliated with MIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
I could not care less about Assad, nor do i support him. However, i fear the real enemies in the middle east, the takfiri's Al Nusra/Alqaeda , ISIS, radical groups gaining power and causing so much more bloodshed. We have seen how they are capable of using chemical weapons against syrians in such a devastating way to provoke western and arab intervention.
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Original post by Tawheed
Peace be with you,
Firstly, the UN are not wholly reliable - and while they did agree the 'rebels' or groups among them used chemical weapons in early 2013, they were incorrect to suggest evidence pointed to government forces using it on the 21st august, later 2013. I am not even asking you to believe RT or even PRESS TV, but what about MIT educated scientists, who examined the claims - using a scientific basis- of what the UN stated, and only using science, criticized it?
These are some of the most eminent scientists in one of the best, if not the best university in the world. Surely you need to give them credibility, and read their report?
MIT scientific report on the UN findings :http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20on%20Syria%20CW.pdf
Serious Questions about the Integrity of the UN ReportAN ANALYSIS By Subrata GhoshroyResearch Affiliate Program in Science, Technology, and Society
Massachusetts Institute of TechnologyCambridge, Massachusetts, [email protected]
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
MIT is often cited as among the world's top universities.[10][11][12][13] As of 2014, 81 Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes Scholars, 38MacArthur Fellows, and 2 Fields Medalists have been affiliated with MIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
I could not care less about Assad, nor do i support him. However, i fear the real enemies in the middle east, the takfiri's Al Nusra/Alqaeda , ISIS, radical groups gaining power and causing so much more bloodshed. We have seen how they are capable of using chemical weapons against syrians in such a devastating way to provoke western and arab intervention.
Firstly, the UN are not wholly reliable - and while they did agree the 'rebels' or groups among them used chemical weapons in early 2013, they were incorrect to suggest evidence pointed to government forces using it on the 21st august, later 2013. I am not even asking you to believe RT or even PRESS TV, but what about MIT educated scientists, who examined the claims - using a scientific basis- of what the UN stated, and only using science, criticized it?
These are some of the most eminent scientists in one of the best, if not the best university in the world. Surely you need to give them credibility, and read their report?
MIT scientific report on the UN findings :http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20on%20Syria%20CW.pdf
Serious Questions about the Integrity of the UN ReportAN ANALYSIS By Subrata GhoshroyResearch Affiliate Program in Science, Technology, and Society
Massachusetts Institute of TechnologyCambridge, Massachusetts, [email protected]
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
MIT is often cited as among the world's top universities.[10][11][12][13] As of 2014, 81 Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes Scholars, 38MacArthur Fellows, and 2 Fields Medalists have been affiliated with MIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
I could not care less about Assad, nor do i support him. However, i fear the real enemies in the middle east, the takfiri's Al Nusra/Alqaeda , ISIS, radical groups gaining power and causing so much more bloodshed. We have seen how they are capable of using chemical weapons against syrians in such a devastating way to provoke western and arab intervention.
You're very pro
Assad aren't you?
Your never seem to care what assess treops do with the Iranian weapons thy receive?
Original post by MatureStudent36
You're very pro
Assad aren't you?
Your never seem to care what assess treops do with the Iranian weapons thy receive?
Assad aren't you?
Your never seem to care what assess treops do with the Iranian weapons thy receive?
I condemn Assad for not bringing about political reform and for his crackdown on protestors, i condemn him and the FSA for human-rights abuses, but both groups are little children compared to the real killers on Syria.
I see you accused me of not bringing evidence, after i brought it, you did not reply to the evidence?
Original post by Tawheed
I condemn Assad for not bringing about political reform and for his crackdown on protestors, i condemn him and the FSA for human-rights abuses, but both groups are little children compared to the real killers on Syria.
I see you accused me of not bringing evidence, after i brought it, you did not reply to the evidence?
I see you accused me of not bringing evidence, after i brought it, you did not reply to the evidence?
So you're finally bringing balanced evidence.
Original post by MatureStudent36
So you're finally bringing balanced evidence.
Could you kindly comment on the MIT-evidence?
Original post by Tawheed
Could you kindly comment on the MIT-evidence?
His conclusion appear to be we can't tell who did what.
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Original post by Aj12
Absolutely, but let us examine the purpose of the report. It was to show the absolute errors made by the UN, the US'S rash decision that it was Assad, based on erroneous 'evidence' and not properly even knowing the physics of missiles. It's destroyed both the US's credibility, and also the credibility of the UN. It slammed the UN and US's judgements as rash, unscientific, and based on terrible evidence divorced from reason.
Therefore we go to the fact the rebels have already been caught with chemical weapons - used- in the past, and also one very pertinent point:
POINT ONE: 2-3 days, or a few days before the chemical weapons attack in ghouta , inwhich so many innocent people were butchered in one of the cruelest ways by chemical weapons, Assad had invited a delegation of UN inspectors to come into Syria to investigate the use of chemical weapons. Why would Assad, who had himself invited the UN to investigate chemical weapons use admist mounting international pressure, then actually carry out the attacks himself? He would have to be the most illogical, irrational, erratic incompetent individual ever. I'm not trying to say Assad is not bad enough to do it, i'm only saying he isn't mad enough.
Which ex-senator and presidential candidate Ron Paul echoes:
[video="youtube;S58wRrd3aeI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58wRrd3aeI[/video]
If we look at the ring around the conflict Zone, it also is far from the main government bases, it would have had to have been carried out closer to what i believe to be radical bases, perhaps by Al Nusra or another radical group.
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Original post by MatureStudent36
Again, care to provide evidence to back your statement up.
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
You've once again failed to link to the United Nations url for your other stuff.
You are Iranian aren't you Tawhee. You're a tehranian sock
Puppet
I'd much rather support iran/Syrian governnent/hezbollah, than takfiri salafist sock Puppet of saudi/Qataris who go round beheading anyone with a slight difference in belief.
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