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The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

You haven't seen the videos on Liveleak of Israeli soldiers beating 10 year old Palestinian girls ?

You haven't seen Israeli soldiers kicking a 90 Year old Palestinian out of her house so Israelis can live there

British soldiers have also beaten, shot and raped innocent civilians in Iraq but it's not a British policy just like it isn't an Israeli policy to beat Palestinian children.

Reply 6821

TheBlackRose

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Original post by Observatory

Britain killed tens of thousands of French civilians in WWII. Is what Britain did morally equivalent to the Holocaust?

Tens of thousands compare to 6 Millions, nahh i dont think so. At least most of them were not kids, They did not have such technology they have now.

Britain did not kill the civilians deliberately like Isreal do.

Reply 6822

Tawheed

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UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
[video="youtube;qMGuYjt6CP8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8[/video]

Reply 6823

Tawheed

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[video="youtube;66-RKWKI_yY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-RKWKI_yY[/video]

Reply 6824

Observatory

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Original post by TheBlackRose

Tens of thousands compare to 6 Millions, nahh i dont think so. At least most of them were not kids, They did not have such technology they have now.

Britain did not kill the civilians deliberately like Isreal do.

Britain deliberately bombed French cities in order to destroy German defences and troop formations within them, in the knowledge that French civilians had not been evacuated and that many of them would therefore also die. These civilians were not selected on the basis of age; they were simply whoever happened to be living in a front line city that was bombed.

Israel, too, bombs military targets in the knowledge that sometimes this will also result in civilian deaths.

The two policies are exactly comparable - well, exactly except to the extent that French civilians were not even enemy civilians, whereas Palestinians are. If you want to discuss what Britain did to German cities, we have not seen the like in Palestine (and if we did, the conflict would probably be over within a matter of days, following complete and unconditional Palestinian surrender).

Reply 6825

thedylanman

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Isreal has violated international law and has done so on many occasions. Surely this is enough to justify labelling Isreal as a terrorist state?

Reply 6826

Tawheed

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Original post by thedylanman

Isreal has violated international law and has done so on many occasions. Surely this is enough to justify labelling Isreal as a terrorist state?

I'm afraid media moguls, the US Congress, and certain billionare's who essentially call the shots do not deem so, despite the fact you are right, Israel and whoever funds them should be regarded as terrorists imho.

Murder, violence, occupation etc

That's why i voted the greens(among other reasons).

We can stop purchasing Israeli goods as much as we can try, it's hard, but if we have a choice between an israeli product and not, we should choose the non-israeli one. Many human rights organisation are advocating this.

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 6827

Skip_Snip

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Original post by TheBlackRose

x

Question: Who is governed by a terrorist organisation?
Answer: Palestine.

Question: Who is being hugely biased?
Answer: You.

Reply 6828

The Dictator

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Original post by Tawheed

Israel is on par with ISIS/al nusra/alqaea , they're all absolutely evil.

Honest man tears apart Israel on Question time (rare moment on the BBC/mainstream non-rupert murdoch owned media)

[video="youtube;StVN7Og996E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StVN7Og996E[/video]

The biased left-wing BBC. So impartial.

Reply 6829

The Dictator

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Original post by thedylanman

Isreal has violated international law and has done so on many occasions. Surely this is enough to justify labelling Isreal as a terrorist state?

International law does not exist.

Reply 6830

Feraligatr

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Original post by Skip_Snip

Question: Who is governed by a terrorist organisation?
Answer: Palestine.

Question: Who is being hugely biased?
Answer: You.

Explain how she is be hugely biased?

And who has killed thousands in Gaza? Explain the need for a blockade in Gaza as well please.

Reply 6831

Mantle hood

Who do you guy support and why. Also why do Zionists say Palestine never existed well neither did Saudi Arabia until the early 20th century, the entire middle east was one big country called Arabia, but the British and french partitioned it in the sykes picot agreement, and later on the British promised the Jews a homeland in Arabia which was the home of the Arabs.
Give your opinions below and why you support that side, also please take it easy im only 15

Reply 6832

AdvanceAndVanquish

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Original post by Mantle hood

Who do you guy support and why. Also why do Zionists say Palestine never existed well neither did Saudi Arabia until the early 20th century, the entire middle east was one big country called Arabia, but the British and french partitioned it in the sykes picot agreement, and later on the British promised the Jews a homeland in Arabia which was the home of the Arabs.
Give your opinions below and why you support that side, also please take it easy im only 15

Your understanding of the history/geography involved is a bit confused. Arabia is only a part of what is now called the Middle East, the part between the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. There are other historic regions which are part of the Middle East, such as Syria, Mesopotamia (Iraq), Persia (Iran), Egypt, the Maghreb (North Africa), etc. Israel and Lebanon are part of a region called the Levant which overlaps and sometimes blurs with Syria. They are not part of Arabia. Prior to the First World War, and for several hundred years previously, the vast majority of the Middle East was ruled, at least nominally, by the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire, and divided into many administrative districts, some of which correspond loosely to modern borders, and some of which do not.

Reply 6833

Pulse.

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Its not about supporting a side, both sides justify eachothers existence and are about equally responsible for what is going on.

Reply 6834

jimi191

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Most of the Pro Israeli arguments:

- Best human rights in the middle east.
- Technological superpower providing goods and advancements to the entire world.
- Against people who want their existence ended.
- Arab world had plenty of opportunities to negotiate.

Most of the Pro Palestinian arguments:

- Were not considered when we gave land to Israel.
- Palestinians have lived in Israel a long time.
- They have no where else to go.
- Israel is a developed nation they should show more restraint.
- Israel takes out the grief it receives from the Arab world on the Palestinians.
- Many Palestinians have no interest in terrorism yet the current situation results in all Palestinians being penalized.
- Israel isn't giving the Palestinians much of a choice.

Those pretty much sum up the points put forward by both sides (obviously there are considerable numbers who hate Israel because they hate Jews and/or hate Palestinians because they are Muslim, best thing is to stay away from them). A really good rule for this is that if anyone is completely pro-Israel or completely pro-Palestinian they tend to be either really stupid or really xenophobic, as Pulse said both sides are responsible for the current situation, to what extent is obviously up for debate.

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 6835

anarchism101

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/pope-welcomes-mahmoud-abbas-ahead-of-treaty-with-palestine

According to Israel, the Vatican officially supporting peace based on a two-state solution actually makes reaching a peace based on a two-state solution more difficult.....

Also, they want the Palestinians to "return to direct bilateral negotiations." You know, those direct bilateral negotiations that were last broken off by the Israeli side?

Reply 6836

SotonianOne

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Israel.

Because Palestinians are Jordanians. I do not condone all of Israel's actions though, I think their economic sanctions are taking it too far. Palestine is far too radicalized to just "let it go", but I think an immediate two-state solution and a gradual release of sanctions should be in place, along with some constitutional guarantees, such as a ban on a Palestinian military and a mandatory check by Israel on all goods coming into Palestine.

Reply 6837

Dr.strange12

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I think a three state solution is a better idea the west bank gaza and Israel. Personally living in Israel i can tell you there are a lot of human rights abuse to some people. personally being in the west bank and all

Reply 6838

LockheedSpooky

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Original post by anarchism101

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/pope-welcomes-mahmoud-abbas-ahead-of-treaty-with-palestine

According to Israel, the Vatican officially supporting peace based on a two-state solution actually makes reaching a peace based on a two-state solution more difficult.....

Also, they want the Palestinians to "return to direct bilateral negotiations." You know, those direct bilateral negotiations that were last broken off by the Israeli side?

Broken off by the so-called 'palestinians' actually.

Reply 6839

LockheedSpooky

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Original post by Feraligatr

Explain the need for a blockade in Gaza as well please.

Quite easy.

With a blockade, they managed to smuggle in tens of thousands of rockets.

Without a blockade, what do you think the so-called 'palestinians' will be able to smuggle in?

The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

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