What is your prediction for the Ukraine/Russian stand-off Watch

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What is really stopping Russia from taking whatever territory they want? The economic sanctions do not seem to be working and their army is 12 times larger than the Ukraines
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Russia establishes enclaves in Ukraine that are recognised by it but no one else, much as it has done elsewhere. Ukraine accepts this frozen state of conflict, though it will remain a potential spark for war, perhaps that is exactly what Putin wants.If Ukraine can sort out its civic and economic issues it will begin to move further towards the West.

As for the wider situation, if NATO does not communicate it's red lines properly and takes actions that solidify the alliance Putin may try the same trick a third (or is it fourth now after Moldova and Azerbaijan?) and begin low level interference in the Baltic States. Careful diplomacy is needed on all sides.
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(Original post by Snoring Bear)
What is really stopping Russia from taking whatever territory they want? The economic sanctions do not seem to be working and their army is 12 times larger than the Ukraines
The fact that Putin has never actually tried this in a NATO/EU nation suggests that he's either not ready or not fully sure that their will be a net gain should he provoke them. Since there have been strong statements from the likes of the Polish PM saying something along the lines of 'if Russian soldiers enter Keiv, so will we' it's my estimation that Putin has not yet decided that it's worth the consequences.

*Of course the Polish military can't compete with Russia, but we all know that within months Poland and whoever else would be armed to teeth by the US creating a much bloodier conflict. It's one thing for Putin to gain a thousand miles of border with a few hundred dead, it's another thing for the casualties and further sanctions to mount up.
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(Original post by Snoring Bear)
The economic sanctions do not seem to be working s
Dude ... Russian GDP has been revalued to something similar to Australia. Their credit ratings are junk. Their exports are decreasing every month. Their consumer spending is worse than after 2008 crash. Apple has stopped their Russian operations. What are you expecting? A total Russian civil war over bread?
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Poland and whoever else would be armed to teeth by the US creating a much bloodier conflict.
Poland is doing that pretty well by itself.http://www.cnet.com/news/liquid-body-armor-could-save-you-from-a-bullet/
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/04/...r-report-says/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-f...b_6822470.html
http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/2...ch-helicopters

"Poland has spent $5 billion on its F-16 fighter jets and is expected to announce an order for either the Eurofighter Typhoon or F-35 next generation jets. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-Russia.html
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Zbigniew Brzezinski's Grand Chestboard predicted all of this. This is another Jewish created conflict, another Jewish financed and supported revolution (Much like the one in Russia in the early 1900's) but this time they're taking the risk of using ultra-nationalists, neo-nazi's to use them against Russia. Hard to believe isn't it?

This is all about Jews taking control of Russia and Eurasia. Brzezinski said it himself whoever controls Eurasia controls the world. This is the reality of what the New World Order is. It is Jewish. Look up New World Order promised to the Jews.

Think about it who are Russia often allied with? Iran, China even Syria. Israel and America wanted to bomb Syria while Russia delivered anti-aircraft missiles and wanted to prevent this. Russia like Iran and China are very critical of Western foreign policy that has wreaked havoc not just in the Middle East but now in Europe..... Russia is very critical of Israel too. Do people not watch RussiaToday? The people they have on there, like Galloway, Gilad Atzmon, Norman Finkelstein.


They planned this all along. There was a failed revolution in Ukraine before called the orange revolution but this time it worked.


Ukraine has a lot of people with strong connections to Russia. Those who dislike Russia is largely because of Communism and the Soviet Union. You see Ukrainians suffered a real 6 million+ Holocaust that receives little attention in the world.
They still see today's Russia as Communist, but really under Putin's leadership he has pushed a Christian revival while Christianity is dying in America and Western Europe.
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My hope at the moment is that Ukraine gives up the conflicted territories, rewrite it's borders so they're not liquid and undefined anymore. This should prevent Russia from attacking further as it won't be able to justify this, and will let them have the piece of shіt known as Donetsk to repair and finance. It will move closer to the West and cooperate closely with Eastern Europe.

This is the most intelligent solution. Attempting to invade Donetsk is problematic because it is regularly refreshed with Russian weapons and manpower, and will only prompt an actual war starting. Also, Donetsk, for the Ukrainian economy, is a heavy weight to carry now. Better let it go but keep territories of gas and coal that they have under their control.

Of course, this is a very eerie reminder of Czechoslovakia in WW2 in that giving up Sudetenland did not stop Hitler..
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Ukraine nationalists need to stop adding fire and agree to compromise.
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(Original post by SotonianOne)

That is just a Vismodded CV-90-105

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ej/CV90120.png
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That is just a Vismodded CV-90-105

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ej/CV90120.png
Difference between PL-01 and CV-90 is that PL-01 has a thermal cloak and the latter is more armoured than the former (and obviously slower as a result)
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I think Ukraine will split in two, with massive migration, Aryans to the west and Slavs to the Russian East. There won't be a full scale war involving NATO or other Western powers. Putin may be flexing the Russian military muscles but he isn't a fool and knows he can't defeat NATO on in full scale combat.
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With Russia controlling 80% of Europes gas and oil, don't expect any Nato country to engage in an armed conflict with Russia fellas.
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(Original post by Snoring Bear)
With Russia controlling 80% of Europes gas and oil, don't expect any Nato country to engage in an armed conflict with Russia fellas.
Brush up on your knowledge. Russia doesn't even supply half of that. The majority of European oil is from Norway, UK, Nigeria and Kuwait.

https://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/stati...de-oil-imports

Plus the UK and Poland have the 7th and 3rd largest shale reserves in the world, there's no reason why they can't follow the U.S. in an energy source reform. Russia is irrelevant.
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(Original post by SotonianOne)
That man looks really nervous.
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That man looks really nervous.
Wonder if a gun is aiming at him out of camera :P
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Wonder if a gun is aiming at him out of camera :P
I looks more intimidated by the tank than anything else. Like it might run him over.
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