The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

For every Israeli civilian killed, 296 palestinians died in that conflict.

encouraged =/= forced

So you agree with Hamas encouraging its citizens to ignore IDF warnings? You think that is moral? Wow, you really have lost all human empathy in pursuit of your hysterical anti-Israel agenda.

As to the rest of the unlettered rant, it's barely readable; pockmarked with factual errors, misspelled words and a complete failure of punctuation. I find your apologia for terrorism tiresome, and I should head off to bed.

So why do you keep bringing up this thing about them being white? Especially given so many Israelis are not?

Because you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of being white. Israelis enjoy the support of western superpowers and a great deal of influence in their policy making. They are not discriminated against, nor experience any form of oppression anywhere. Just because they are not of a white skin colour in the same way that someone of english heritage is, does not mean they don't enjoy the same privileges, and thus can be classified as being white. I keep bringing it up because I see so many white people thinking they can save palestine by using all their knowledge that they have accrued simply by being white. It was a passing comment.

Erm... well there was this big thing called the Holocaust, where 6 million Jews were killed merely because of their Jewish identity. Does that count? No, you're right; Jews have had it really easy throughout history

I've been careful not to mention historically oppressed, because of the atrocities committed in the Holocaust. I was talking about the present day, and about current affairs.

Nope. I'm just pointing out how clueless you are when you are calling Israel a "white" country (as if that even matters anyway)

When I say Israel is a white country, as I explained above, I mean it enjoys privilege. This you cannot deny, given the overwhelming support Israel receives from America. And of course it matters, White privilege IS a thing, right? Right?!

The report seems to claim that detaining people for immigration offences is torture. This is ludicrous on its face; there is no country in the world that does not use immigration detention in one form or another

****ing hell, do you even read the news?! Do you know what Australia does to its 'boat people'?!

Are you aware you've just dismissed a UN report by someone WHO WAS TORTURED HIMSELF saying they are TORTURING KIDS as being ludicrous? Really?

That includes pretty much all of Europe and this country. Then again, it wouldn't be as satisfying to be criticising Europe, would it? You're just indulging in the typical leftist hatred of successful new world countries like Australia and the United States, something that is common amongst arrogant middle-class leftists in this country most of whom have never even travelled to the US or Australia

I've been to Australia twice. Half of my family lives there. Also, when I say West, I mean countries in Europe too. When I say white saviour complex, I mean every western country. It seems like typical liberal/conservative mantra to suggest that we don't criticise the darling new world countries that got where they are by massacring a load of native people, colonising and then making sure that the natives don't ever get any rights or retribution whatsoever.

Have you?

i was just arguing over the fact that you supported isreal. but hey people like you love putting word in people mouth yh

Justifying Hamas' tactic of telling its civilians to ignore IDF warnings ahead of air strikes sounds a lot like an apology for terrorism to me.

As to your writing and the dyslexia, if you are indeed dyslexic then I apologise.

no but ordering your soliders to kill indiscriminatly is not morally wrong? wtf.

i wasnt justifying i was pointing out that isreal excuse of human shields is flawed were it became apology i dont know

So Israel targeted buildings...? I'm not sure if I am supposed to be outraged. Surely what is important is what is inside those buildings?

Yeah - civilians.

In historical military terms, it is quite precise. The fact about 1500 civilians were killed from around 5,000 bombs dropped, we are talking about 250lb bombs, suggests a high level of precision. I'm not sure why I'm giving you quantitative facts, you lack the understanding and knowledge of military technology and international law to judge such things. Perhaps it's better to leave to you the screechy, hysterical, slogany type stuff.

Sorry, not my thing to know exact specifications of things designed to kill people. Didn't know it was necessary.

I'm not sure if you're aware of how big 1500 is, but it's 1500 illegal deaths, put it that way. 1500. illegal. deaths. in. one. year.

Only 5 Israeli civilians were killed because Israel built bunkers for its citizens to take shelter in, and they built a missile system called Iron Dome to protect their civilians.

Remind me of how much that Iron Dome cost and how much America pays to Israel every year?

Hamas built bunkers to store its rockets in, and placed its rockets in civilian houses and areas.

Proof? Every story I've heard about people diving into safe rooms in their houses doesn't mention how their houses were full of weapons...

So basically, Israel uses missiles to protect its citizens sheltering in bunkers, Hamas uses civilians to protect its missiles and soldiers/leadership sheltering in bunkers.

And the fact that Israel has bombed schools and housing areas is inconsequential?

That tells you everything about their relative value of life. Israel values human life (as was admitted on the thread earlier, Hamas knows human shields are effective in stopping air strikes). Hamas does not value human life, and they revel in dead Palestinian children.

Yeah, **** me, they really valued those civilians, didn't they?

As to the Israeli soldiers killed, Israel sent its soldiers into Gaza to root out some of the command centres and rocket storage bunkers. That is why some of their soldiers were killed. That was entirely incidental to Hamas' overall campaign of war crimes, firing thousands of rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians

There is a fundamental difference between some soldiers in particular units committing war crimes, and a general policy of indiscriminate shooting.

Even the actual report itself (I clicked into it and read it) is extremely variable in what these soldiers were ordered to do; some say they were told to shoot if they felt threatened / if someone seemed about to attack etc, some say they were involved indiscriminate fire.

But no-one has offered any evidence that this was an order that came from the top, nor will they be able to offer any such evidence because Israel doesn't do that and it has no reason to do that.

It is completely understandable that a terrified 19 year old IDF infantry, going into a Hamas stronghold like Shujaiya, where the air force has been dropping leaflets for days telling the civilians to leave and that a major assault is coming, knowing that Shujaiya is a nest of Hamas bunker complexes, snipers, suicide bombers, mines and IEDs, I can totally understand why young soldiers would shoot almost anything that moved given almost all the civilians would have left at that point.

I don't particularly like it; in fact, I hate the fact that is what warfare is like. But it is; war is cruelty. And as soon as it was the case that the IDF was going to mount a ground operation into Gaza, this became inevitable. I do not blame the 19 year old soldier, scared out of his mind. I blame the Hamas terrorists who kept firing rockets from that location knowing it would precipitate an IDF ground invasion.

The fact you appear to attach no blame whatsoever to Hamas in their actions is morally dubious.

Anyway, that's all for tonight

So white isn't a skin colour, it's a matrix of privilege?



Really? Where?

Do you accept that Hamas fires rockets at Israel from civilian areas in Gaza?

did u even read the article that i posted the link for?

do you accept that isreal does airstrikes on civilians homes?

White? Privilege? No connection?

i dont support hamas ,the reason why i never attached blame on them