The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Yeah, I get what you're saying! He's nothing more than a heartless hypocrite.

The only tiny issue I have with what you said is the "he hates the Palestinians for doing what Israel does to them" bit. All Palestinians are doing is trying to survive in their homeland where they are being persecuted as if they're subhuman. There's a blockade on all sides - even the sea - and they have no food, water, electricity or shelter (courtesy of Israeli bombs funded by hardworking US taxpayers). Despite all that, Palestinians haven't turned violent at all. What I'm trying to say is that Palestinians are not even 0.001% as murderous as Israelis.

Thought I should throw in, just in case you weren't aware that stuff like the use of Palestinians as human shields is simply a pile of crap (proof: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human). The IDF shoots innocent Palestian children and then lies that the kids were throwing stones, whereas Palestinians don't do the same even when Israeli illegal settlers do far worse than stone throwing! It's all so wrong...

I asked who disagrees with my opinion. Try and understand that first before you reply. I wanted some honest opinions for educational reasons. Simplistic or not. I struggle to see you point.

You asked for a simple answer to a complicated situation.

The Palestinians were gracious enough to accept the Jews at a time in history where NO ONE wanted them in their country. The Arabs took them in and this is how they repay them. Disgusting.

Before raving your pro-Israeli propaganda, do take time to educate yourselves. Facts don't lie. Israel is a terrorist state.

The only reason Israel gets away with all this **** is because Obama is Netanyahu's bitch and congress is filled with zionists.

But f them, the world is waking up and more and more people are recognising Israel and Zionism for what they truly are, racist and despicable.

There are layers upon layers of either incomprehension or simple dishonesty in the above, not least of which are the maps which show something which is not actually, you know, true. I hope there are still some people who value truth over propaganda and ignorance.

It opens with a statement which just bears no relationship to reality. It doesn't describe the groups which existed in Palestine in the first half of the 20th century, it doesn't describe the actions of those groups.

The maps meanwhile, are simply, ludicrously, wrong, inventing a new history in which the British Mandate and the Jordanian and Egyptian occupations never actually happened. An accurate map series with these labels would show that the last map is the only one on which green, for the first time ever, would appear, after the concessions to the Palestinian Authority at Oslo.

Oh so I guess this is ludicrously wrong as well. There a many maps which look like this. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it is immediately invalid. I find this evidence believable given what Israel has been doing over the past half a century. And they still continue to build on Palestinian land.

You'll note that the maps you posted are labelled very differently from the other ones, and the first map is different as well. This makes the maps not so much outright false as simply misleading, by using the same color to mean very different things on different maps, to give false impressions of continuity and discontinuity.

I've done a quick edit on the maps to make them less misleading.



There are sill a few problems with the labels, but at least now it is colored so that the colors mean the same thing across the maps. You'll also note that the situation in the second map never actually existed, it was an unrealised proposal.

You'll note that the maps you posted are labelled very differently from the other ones, and the first map is different as well. This makes the maps not so much outright false as simply misleading, by using the same color to mean very different things on different maps, to give false impressions of continuity and discontinuity.

I've done a quick edit on the maps to make them less misleading.



There are sill a few problems with the labels, but at least now it is colored so that the colors mean the same thing across the maps. You'll also note that the situation in the second map never actually existed, it was an unrealised proposal.

You fail to acknowledge the fact that Palestinian land has decreased substantially.
Ok. The second map maybe incorrect (according to you) but that makes no difference to the state of Palestine by 2005. A decade has passed since then. I dread to know how much smaller it is now.

Oh so I guess this is ludicrously wrong as well. There a many maps which look like this.

Yet even your map cannot deny the fundamental issue that illegal settlements have been made on the land that was given to the Palestinians.
how the hell do you see this as ok?

If the British and Americans were so concerned over the need for Jews to have land of their own then why couldn't they give them some of their own land? surely America is big enough? Yet they chose to impose them on the Palestinians instead, who now lie dead in the thousands. Nice one...

Sidenote:

Shakespeare's Othello – Act 4, Scene 3

“I know a lady in Venice would have
walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip”

Even Shakespeare in the 17th Century recognised that it was Palestinian land first

You fail to acknowledge the fact that Palestinian land has decreased substantially.
Ok. The second map maybe incorrect (according to you) but that makes no difference to the state of Palestine by 2005. A decade has passed since then. I dread to know how much smaller it is now.

Well, there are certain areas where Palestinian land has increased; Israel completely pulled out of Gaza in 2005, including forcibly evicting 10,000 Israeli settlers.

Did you not see the map? Ok they may have pulled out of the Gaza strip. That's a fair point. But by looking at the map you can see that the Gaza strip would not have been created if the Jews had just kept to their own. You cannot say that Palestinian land has grown because the fact is it has shrunk. Drastically.

Did you not see the map? Ok they may have pulled out of the Gaza strip. That's a fair point. But by looking at the map you can see that the Gaza strip would not have been created if the Jews had just kept to their own. You cannot say that Palestinian land has grown because the fact is it has shrunk. Drastically.

Giving the Jews, who are the original inhabitants of the area, the Israel/Palestine aborigines, 10% of the mandate of Palestine (and 1% of the total area of the Middle East) does not seem massively unfair.