The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Perhaps the person simply did more research about atrocities committed by the trigger-happy IDF and super-imposed that upon Israel as a whole.

I mean, that whole post, if taken in context, is about Israel's oppressive military attitude towards Gaza. The poster probably got a little emotional after encountering Gaza's devastating scenes compared with the relative paradise of Israel.


To portray the poster or attempt to malign the poster as a rabid anti-Semite is not only disingenuous, but a clear attempt to shut down what are legitimate criticisms of the gung-ho approach taken by military officers of the IDF, especially in regards to small children and women.

I see the Mods have moved this thread to here so more hatred can be whipped up. Wasn't getting enough in the International forum I guess.

Giving this conflict precedence over others. Despite more people dying in the three months of the Syrian conflict than all Arabs/Israelis killed.

That's what they do though. To avoid any scrutiny of israels actions, the Zionist lobbies and groups accuse anyone who opposes the actions of the idf as 'anti Semitic' or in my case a 'self hating Jew '.

Then they'll call you a 'Hamas apologist'.

It's almost like they don't want the actions of Israel to be scrutinised...

So now you think 'scrutiny' is that "the Jews did 9/11", and making up (massively inflated) casualty figures, and other forms of shrieking ignorance?

Obviously the 9/11 claim is ridiculous and anti-Semitic.
But that's not what I'm referring to. In referring to criticism of israels actions towards the Palestinian people.
Opposing the idfs actions neither makes you an anti-Semite nor a Hamas apologist.
You love to accuse them of being so to avoid any legitimate criticism and scrutiny.

Obviously the 9/11 claim is ridiculous and anti-Semitic.
But that's not what I'm referring to. In referring to criticism of israels actions towards the Palestinian people.
Opposing the idfs actions neither makes you an anti-Semite nor a Hamas apologist.
You love to accuse them of being so to avoid any legitimate criticism and scrutiny.

No...we're talking here about someone who massively lies on multiple levels about israeli and jewish actions, to a ridiculous extent, being called an antisemite.

Making up bull**** and drawing upon antisemitic tropes is not 'legitimate criticism and scrutiny'

Yes.
But opposing Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank is not anti seimitic in the same way opposing Britians war in Iraq is not anti-christian.

And what about making up utter bull****, attributing it to Israel and/or the Jews, and 'opposing' that?

Anything that implies Jews were behind 9/11 is clearly anti Semitic.

Any criticisms of israels actions on gaza and the West Bank are not. Just as opposing North Koreas government does not make me racist against Koreans.

What about making things up about Israel in gaza and the west bank and 'criticising' that?

That's exceptionally rare that people 'make up' things.

Yeh its all one sided unfortunately. A couple months ago the bbc news reported a Israeli soldier died yet the same day 1000's of Palestinians where killed and yet nothing was mentioned on the news

Yeah gaza was treated bad and israel laugh and still say they're the victims when Gaza has millions.of innocent children dead, that's all against the rules of war.

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Only 3 Isrealis Died whilst way over 10K Palestinians died including Children. Why do Jewish soldiers beat up kids, Like wtf.

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There are convoys that go from the uk here and the only reason we can do things is because if any of the Israeli army was to do anything from a person from another country then it'd cause war and then we'd help fight against them

Here are three examples of people making up massively inflated numbers, just from this thread in the last few days.



Here is another example of someone making something up, from the same time period.

That's only the most unambiguous examples.

The first one the time frame was wrong. Thousands of Palestinians were killed - not on one day admitedly, over a few.
Not that it changes the narrative much. It's a mistake on the behalf of the poster but it's not like he's purposely made something ridiculous up.
The third one similar, the second one has his numbers wrong.

These are statements which are not true about Israel/the Gaza war. All of them. Maybe they're not lies that they made up, maybe they're ones that they heard from someone else and didn't check. But they're spreading them, and you are making excuses for it. People are basing their opinions on these lies.

I'm not saying they're not wrong as in factually incorrect. I'm saying none of them were anti-semitic
Unless you can prove they had anti-semitic motives. We all make factual errors, it doesn't make you a racist or anti-semite.

None made a reference to Jews or Judaism. None are anti-semitic.
Do not conflate Israel with Judaism.They are NOT the same.

You are speaking about antisemitism. I have been talking here just about lying about facts. Many, many people do not oppose israel, they oppose a made up israel that doesn't exist. You did it yourself earlier with the jew-only roads. Maybe you knew you were lying, maybe you were just repeating a lie someone else told you. But no, that doesn't neccesarily equate to antisemitism.


We get into antisemitism when we realise that a lot of the lies, or a lot of the people making the lies, draw on classic antisemitism, and it's really very hard to disentangle it. Israel's enemies promote and teach the classic antisemitic conspiracy theories along with new lies they make up about israel and jews.

No you don't. There's no comparison. The type of thing that Israel gets raked over the coals for, that gets blown up into a major challenge to the very legitimacy of the state's existence, even when it's not made up, is so minor, so normal in most countries that similar things don't even register when people talk about these other countries. It's a total failure of perspective on the scales involved.

Also, to apply this logic to other situations, would it be OK for Sinn Fein to advocate moving millions of Southern Irish Catholics into Northern Ireland to create a Catholic majority there in order to bring about unification and "secure the safety and rights" of the Northern Catholics? Or for Serbia to move millions of Serbs into Bosnia or Kosovo for the same reasons (or indeed for Bosniaks, Croats or Albanians to advocate the same for their own groups)? The examples could go on. Indeed, you could say the same thing about colonising settlers.

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In short,opposing Israel's actions is not anti-semitic. Stop with the victim mentality and stop shouting down legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. Most importantly stop conflating Judaism and Israel. They are not the same thing.
Goodnight.

Apart from the fact that quite a lot of Serbs, and others, did move into Bosnia and other places during the communist period (Radovan Karadžić was originally from Montenegro for example), your parallel dosen't really stand because Serbs originally had their own national state in Serbia. But the Jews have no national state but Israel, and there was no realistic alternative for the fulfilment of their national aspirations.



I don't agree with wildly flinging around accusations of anti-Semitism, as some pro-Israeli people do. But there is no doubt that much criticism of Israel does contain anti-Semitic tropes, and that the pro-Palestinian movement has been to a large degree infiltrated by some extremely poisonous elements.