NATO is a joke
NATO is not strong and is not capable of defending itself against Russia. Russia would destroy Ukraine in 14 days if they will send its army and would reach Portugal in 2 months.
1. Nato was involved in 75 armed conflicts and none of them was defence mission
2. No one in NATO will fight for someone
1. Nato was involved in 75 armed conflicts and none of them was defence mission
2. No one in NATO will fight for someone
Original post by Rakas21
Your entire argument appears to be not that NATO would be beaten but that it would not act at all.
Your own evidence suggests that the US, UK and Canada would. Those 3 combined would have no problem slaughtering the Russians if the fight occurred today.
Your own evidence suggests that the US, UK and Canada would. Those 3 combined would have no problem slaughtering the Russians if the fight occurred today.
During real war, the result of poll will be much more dramatic. UK and Canada will be in danger as they do not have any defense against Satan and Bulava. US will not shoot down the rockets landing UK
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Original post by Evening
Don't be jel that you're not in your own military alliance. Three of the security council members are in it.
What are you talking about, have you heard of SCO?
SCO army
Russia - 4300000
China - 7024000
India - 3773000
Total: 1509700 ( major powers of SCO only)
NATO army
US - 2 272 532
France - 779000
UK - 421000
Germany - 700000
Italy - 500000
Spain - 500000
Total: 3172532
5:1 , Majority of NATO members are cutting their defence spending, the countries gdp debt ratio averages between 90-110%.
SCO countries are growing and known as emerging countries. Their spending is increasing and economy becoming bigger than West
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Original post by BRICS > DOLLAR
What are you talking about, have you heard of SCO?
SCO army
Russia - 4300000
China - 7024000
India - 3773000
Total: 1509700 ( major powers of SCO only)
NATO army
US - 2 272 532
France - 779000
UK - 421000
Germany - 700000
Italy - 500000
Spain - 500000
Total: 3172532
5:1 , Majority of NATO members are cutting their defence spending, the countries gdp debt ratio averages between 90-110%.
SCO countries are growing and known as emerging countries. Their spending is increasing and economy becoming bigger than West
SCO army
Russia - 4300000
China - 7024000
India - 3773000
Total: 1509700 ( major powers of SCO only)
NATO army
US - 2 272 532
France - 779000
UK - 421000
Germany - 700000
Italy - 500000
Spain - 500000
Total: 3172532
5:1 , Majority of NATO members are cutting their defence spending, the countries gdp debt ratio averages between 90-110%.
SCO countries are growing and known as emerging countries. Their spending is increasing and economy becoming bigger than West
There is no way in an all out war India would be on Russia and China's side.
The U.S. Military is in another league to any other on the planet they could beat Russia and China on their own with ease. Sure China has potential due to population but at the moment their military isn't that developed. If an all out war came about they would develop pretty fast but America would still come out on top, Britain, Canada, Germany and France combined wouldn't have a problem taking down Russia, Russia isn't the force they once were they used to be on a similar level to the U.S. but their economy and development has stalled they just don't have the resources.
Obviously though if an all out war happened their wouldn't be a true winner due to nuclear weapons. But those weapons also mean that it's extremely unlikely that there will be another all out world war due to the whole Mutually Assured Destruction thing. People have been worrying about the situation in Ukraine but neither the West or Russia care enough about Ukraine to risk an all out war.
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Original post by Shabalala
There is no way in an all out war India would be on Russia and China's side.
The U.S. Military is in another league to any other on the planet they could beat Russia and China on their own with ease. Sure China has potential due to population but at the moment their military isn't that developed.
The U.S. Military is in another league to any other on the planet they could beat Russia and China on their own with ease. Sure China has potential due to population but at the moment their military isn't that developed.
Look at the numbers of the armies - SCO won
US rocket engines are Russian - SCO won
Best electronic warfare is Russian
Best continental rockets - Russian
Best military satellites - Russian
the fact that India is pro western is pure bias. It is right wing country man
A simple numbers game could not determine how such a war would play. In terms of technology and equipment, and military spending, NATO wins easily. In terms of overall population (not just armed), NATO could crush Russia easily, too. Russian soldiers might outnumber NATO soldiers early one, but after a bit it would find itself massively outgunned and outnumbered, and it would only get more difficult.
As for the opinion polls - thankfully, we don't run wars via opinion poll. Even then, it's flawed to have such a question asked in isolation. It would always depend on the circumstances of the confict.
As for the opinion polls - thankfully, we don't run wars via opinion poll. Even then, it's flawed to have such a question asked in isolation. It would always depend on the circumstances of the confict.
Original post by gladders
A simple numbers game could not determine how such a war would play. In terms of technology and equipment, and military spending, NATO wins easily. In terms of overall population (not just armed), NATO could crush Russia easily, too. Russian soldiers might outnumber NATO soldiers early one, but after a bit it would find itself massively outgunned and outnumbered, and it would only get more difficult.
As for the opinion polls - thankfully, we don't run wars via opinion poll. Even then, it's flawed to have such a question asked in isolation. It would always depend on the circumstances of the confict.
As for the opinion polls - thankfully, we don't run wars via opinion poll. Even then, it's flawed to have such a question asked in isolation. It would always depend on the circumstances of the confict.
In terms of technology and equipment, and military spending, NATO wins easily.
Russia achieved a successful modernization of missiles. it's bomber is four times faster than RAF super-jets and such electronic warfare like President-S which is designed to protect jets and helicopter from the missiles fired from MANPADS, artillely and etc
As for the opinion polls - thankfully, we don't run wars via opinion poll.
Opinion indicates the level of spirit of the country. The spirit of France was very low in WWII that's why Nazis occupied it in one month
In terms of overall population (not just armed), NATO could crush Russia easily, too.
Population of EU and USA: 800,000,000
Population of SCO: 3,040,000,000
I need to point out that the military of Russia is designed for defense rather than offence. So West will never act offensively on Russia because they will lose if they attack SCO. It is the fundamental reason of creation of such organisation like SCO and BRICS - to create dominating environment in the world that is capable of conducting independent foreign policy against western banksters
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Stupid debate really. It'd end in nuclear war. Everyone loses.
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Not getting into this shallow dick-waving competition, but NATO definitely has its faults.
Say Russia invaded Latvia or one of the other Baltic states, could you really see the US, UK, or any other major NATO country deciding to lose thousands, if not millions of its own people to defend it? If they didn't, Article 5 would be essentially worthless, and NATO would be effectively reduced to an alliance of North America and Western Europe. The alliance would be a mockery, and pretty much worthless on the international stage for a large number of its members.
Russia would have broken NATO in this scenario. Not with explicit military force, but it'd be broken nonetheless.
Say Russia invaded Latvia or one of the other Baltic states, could you really see the US, UK, or any other major NATO country deciding to lose thousands, if not millions of its own people to defend it? If they didn't, Article 5 would be essentially worthless, and NATO would be effectively reduced to an alliance of North America and Western Europe. The alliance would be a mockery, and pretty much worthless on the international stage for a large number of its members.
Russia would have broken NATO in this scenario. Not with explicit military force, but it'd be broken nonetheless.
Original post by Aj12
That's a cold war mindset, outdated. We are in the new era in which the country with the best missile and air defence system wins.
Original post by BRICS > DOLLAR
Russia achieved a successful modernization of missiles. it's bomber is four times faster than RAF super-jets
Oh please, tell me more about this magical mach-8 aircraft...
Original post by BRICS > DOLLAR
That's a cold war mindset, outdated. We are in the new era in which the country with the best missile and air defence system wins.
Except no one has a working wide coverage abm system. MAD still applies.
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Original post by Drewski
Oh please, tell me more about this magical mach-8 aircraft...
He can't..... because it melted from atmospheric friction.
Unfortunatly, some people think things exist 'because Putin said so'.
I don't get why people start these threads anyway. The west isn't the least bit interested in invading anyone.
Of all the missions NATO has been on, most of them have been intervention, peace keeping or humanitarian.
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Original post by Aj12
So it seems to take about twenty years for a country's nationalists to conveniently forget about food shortages, armed political resistance and external monetary and financial aid to transition to democracy.
Original post by Drewski
Oh please, tell me more about this magical mach-8 aircraft...
Mate I don't know about top speed but I can only assume he's saying Russia/Putin is buddies with the Nazi's and will make use of their spacecraft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jth4yATniS4
man's got his victory moves ready tbh, you honestly think Cameron/Obama are going to win the dance off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHaVH9HhfI
Original post by BRICS > DOLLAR
Best electronic warfare is Russian
Best electronic warfare is Russian
dumbest ever post in the history of TSR
Israel wins the electronic warfare game before anyone even mentions the US or Russia, and Poland comes close second because they are both working on a joint programme for a multirole stealth UAV
seriously where the **** do you get those stupid conspiracy videos from
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