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Are we too easily offended?
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150804-comedy-in-the-age-of-outrage-when-jokes-go-too-far
Has PC gone too far, or has alternative comedy crossed a line?
What do you guys think?
Has PC gone too far, or has alternative comedy crossed a line?
What do you guys think?
Oh yes, it's a crime to have a different opinion or use certain words now.
If you don't like it, don't clap. Simple as that.
Comedy is provocative by nature! Attending a comedy show requires a level of discernment. Comedy is a sophisticated business and comics use different ploys to make the audience laugh. Audience members usually expect to be ridiculed or mocked. It's often part of the risk you take if you want the laughs. That said comedians belittle themselves too. They push the boundaries of political correctness because it needs pushing and comedians are artists who, not unlike philosophers, take a step back to reflect on human behaviour and society and voice what we are thinking but afraid to say.
Comedy goers are usually fairly educated and discerning. If they don't like the joke then they won't laugh! That is the way to express disapproval, not filing a cowardly silencing complaint. Comedy is about saying the unsayable and pricking the tender parts, to make us aware of our own contradictions, to prevent us from becoming deluded narcissists, to help us laugh at ourselves. I think it goes back as far as Greek Drama and later with Jesters and Fools in Royal Courts.
Comedy is provocative by nature! Attending a comedy show requires a level of discernment. Comedy is a sophisticated business and comics use different ploys to make the audience laugh. Audience members usually expect to be ridiculed or mocked. It's often part of the risk you take if you want the laughs. That said comedians belittle themselves too. They push the boundaries of political correctness because it needs pushing and comedians are artists who, not unlike philosophers, take a step back to reflect on human behaviour and society and voice what we are thinking but afraid to say.
Comedy goers are usually fairly educated and discerning. If they don't like the joke then they won't laugh! That is the way to express disapproval, not filing a cowardly silencing complaint. Comedy is about saying the unsayable and pricking the tender parts, to make us aware of our own contradictions, to prevent us from becoming deluded narcissists, to help us laugh at ourselves. I think it goes back as far as Greek Drama and later with Jesters and Fools in Royal Courts.
(edited 8 years ago)
everyone has an opinion
sadly the internet give people the idea that their opinions matter and even worse like minded delusional idiots can group together like never before
sadly the internet give people the idea that their opinions matter and even worse like minded delusional idiots can group together like never before
Yes. It's almost as if people like to be offended so that they have something to complain about. The outrage with David Cameron referring to the Calais immigrants as a swarm is proof enough of this. People also take the comedy of those like Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr and Dapper Laughs too literally. Laughing about something is not inciting it, so why make such a fuss. Something shouldn't be deemed offensive just because you don't like it.
Yes. Everyone is too soft these days and are too easily offended.
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I think we've offered the 'victim' status such a high position in society (in many cases, people who claim to be victims are accorded an almost deity-like status, and everything they say has to be true because they've been disadvantaged/victimised/hurt) that it's become an attractive one to take for some people. Those who previously avoided being perceived as a victim of something are now actively ensuring that they can claim such a position, and they like everyone else to know how outraged/offended/affected/upset they are.
Social media then helps people amplify their outrage, and they can compete against others who had a similar idea to be the most 'outraged', which makes each one look for new ways to be upset.
Social media then helps people amplify their outrage, and they can compete against others who had a similar idea to be the most 'outraged', which makes each one look for new ways to be upset.
World class scientist is torn to shreds and forced into a grovelling, tearful apology live on air for wearing the wrong type of garment.
Nobel Prize winner is forced into a resignation by a baying mob for making an entirely innocuous comment about women.
NoMorePage3 declares women deciding to show their boobs of their own volition to be 'degrading and humiliating.'
Leading journalist is banned from discussing the topic of abortion at a world-leading University because he lacks a uterus and may 'upset' students.
The University of Dundee bans the society for the protection of unborn children because some students found it offensive.
St Andrews golf club is chastised for weeks on end about being male-only, until it capitulates and admits women.
Has political correctness gone too far? Nah, not at all.
Multimillionaire with a huge media profile goes on the Talk and laughs hysterically for 10 minutes, with hundreds of women, at a woman who chopped her husbands penis off with a kitchen knife. No-one blinked an eyelid.
Foremost journalist for the Telegraph declares Jeremy Clarkson's wife is his 'dog handler.' Nobody cares.
3 million women have downloaded an online application called LuLu to rate men 1-10 based on their sexual performance in bed. The BBC covers it - they get a man to walk down the street asking women to rate him 1-10.
The Independent writes a post entitled 'white men should never hold elected position in British Universities again.' Nobody cares.
Harriet Harman declares it would be 'rude' to interfere with a Labour Party event segergated along gender lines to appeal to Muslim voters. Harriet Harman, a feminist.
Women launch thousands of women-only groups including networking groups, gyms, taxi firms, political party conferences, business conferences and the NUS conference, which is infamous for its 'policy': 'white homosexual men must stop co-opting black female culture.'
Being politically incorrect is alive and well, providing you are of the correct identity (it's called moral relativism, the morality applied in one context is never extend to another; in fact, in the other context, it's often deemed a 'prejudice'. As far as modern society is concerned, there is no absolute morality, there is no absolute right or wrong.)
Well, providing you are capable of compartmentalising morality and applying one standard to one segment of the population, and the complete opposite standard to the other segment.
Let me show you how it works (people who subscribe to the religion of feelings - progressivism - better look away now):
I'm a proud black man, said the black man.
I'm a proud Asian man, said the Asian man.
I'm a proud woman, said the woman.
I'm a proud homosexual, said the homosexual.
I'm a proud white man, said the racist, misogynistic homophobe.
Maleness = misogyny, whiteness = racism, heterosexuality = homophobia, and never shall anyone challenge the progressive narrative! As far as the religion of feelings is concerned, there's plenty of self-loathing to go round! Where there's self-loathing, there's infinite opportunity to deconstruct society.
If you don't fall into line, we'll shame you within an inch of your life, or exploit a narrative to make you conform to our politically correct group think:
1. Racism.
2. Xenophobia.
3. Little England.
4. Bigotry.
5. S**m.
6. 'the bankers.'
7. 'the female vote' and women generally (all women vote alike, apparently).
8. 'the black community.'
9. Diversity.
10. Tolerance.
11. Rape culture (0.02% of people in the UK were raped last year, but whatever).
12. Sexism.
13. Sexual objectification.
14. Misogyny.
15. Old boy's club.
16. The elite.
17. White privilege.
18. Male privilege.
19. Nazism.
20. Fascism.
Oh, and don't forget my favourite of the lot, it won exploitative narrative of the year at 'the shaming people into conformity awards, 2015', it's so potent even Ed Miliband used it to try and curb free speech and it's often referred to as a term 'invented by fascists and used by morons, to manipulate cowards':
*drum roll please*
21. Islamophobia!
When you're capable of shaming enough people, when you can force them into a state of perpetual self-loathing, when you can exploit every negative social narrative under the sun to make people conform to your politically correct group think, then you can deconstruct society from within.
'We're going to bring 4 million new people into the country in the space of 10 years, if you don't like it, you're a racist!'
'Mass immigration was all about rubbing the right's nose in diversity.' Andrew Neather, Senior Policy Advisor to Tony Blair.
It's how you undermine national unity, undermine the family, undermine all predominantly white religions and manufacture your utopian idealism: global open borders and socialism, so all people can live peaceably side-by-side and we can live in a society run by compassion and feelings, rather than logic and objectivity! Of course, it isn't going to work, but to say such a thing 'is racist.'
I'm afraid most people reading this post don't even have the first clue how deep political correctness - identity politics and moral relativism - goes. It's in the education system, it's Westminster, it's in the legal system, it's all over the place.
Nobel Prize winner is forced into a resignation by a baying mob for making an entirely innocuous comment about women.
NoMorePage3 declares women deciding to show their boobs of their own volition to be 'degrading and humiliating.'
Leading journalist is banned from discussing the topic of abortion at a world-leading University because he lacks a uterus and may 'upset' students.
The University of Dundee bans the society for the protection of unborn children because some students found it offensive.
St Andrews golf club is chastised for weeks on end about being male-only, until it capitulates and admits women.
Has political correctness gone too far? Nah, not at all.
Multimillionaire with a huge media profile goes on the Talk and laughs hysterically for 10 minutes, with hundreds of women, at a woman who chopped her husbands penis off with a kitchen knife. No-one blinked an eyelid.
Foremost journalist for the Telegraph declares Jeremy Clarkson's wife is his 'dog handler.' Nobody cares.
3 million women have downloaded an online application called LuLu to rate men 1-10 based on their sexual performance in bed. The BBC covers it - they get a man to walk down the street asking women to rate him 1-10.
The Independent writes a post entitled 'white men should never hold elected position in British Universities again.' Nobody cares.
Harriet Harman declares it would be 'rude' to interfere with a Labour Party event segergated along gender lines to appeal to Muslim voters. Harriet Harman, a feminist.
Women launch thousands of women-only groups including networking groups, gyms, taxi firms, political party conferences, business conferences and the NUS conference, which is infamous for its 'policy': 'white homosexual men must stop co-opting black female culture.'
Being politically incorrect is alive and well, providing you are of the correct identity (it's called moral relativism, the morality applied in one context is never extend to another; in fact, in the other context, it's often deemed a 'prejudice'. As far as modern society is concerned, there is no absolute morality, there is no absolute right or wrong.)
Well, providing you are capable of compartmentalising morality and applying one standard to one segment of the population, and the complete opposite standard to the other segment.
Let me show you how it works (people who subscribe to the religion of feelings - progressivism - better look away now):
I'm a proud black man, said the black man.
I'm a proud Asian man, said the Asian man.
I'm a proud woman, said the woman.
I'm a proud homosexual, said the homosexual.
I'm a proud white man, said the racist, misogynistic homophobe.
Maleness = misogyny, whiteness = racism, heterosexuality = homophobia, and never shall anyone challenge the progressive narrative! As far as the religion of feelings is concerned, there's plenty of self-loathing to go round! Where there's self-loathing, there's infinite opportunity to deconstruct society.
If you don't fall into line, we'll shame you within an inch of your life, or exploit a narrative to make you conform to our politically correct group think:
1. Racism.
2. Xenophobia.
3. Little England.
4. Bigotry.
5. S**m.
6. 'the bankers.'
7. 'the female vote' and women generally (all women vote alike, apparently).
8. 'the black community.'
9. Diversity.
10. Tolerance.
11. Rape culture (0.02% of people in the UK were raped last year, but whatever).
12. Sexism.
13. Sexual objectification.
14. Misogyny.
15. Old boy's club.
16. The elite.
17. White privilege.
18. Male privilege.
19. Nazism.
20. Fascism.
Oh, and don't forget my favourite of the lot, it won exploitative narrative of the year at 'the shaming people into conformity awards, 2015', it's so potent even Ed Miliband used it to try and curb free speech and it's often referred to as a term 'invented by fascists and used by morons, to manipulate cowards':
*drum roll please*
21. Islamophobia!
When you're capable of shaming enough people, when you can force them into a state of perpetual self-loathing, when you can exploit every negative social narrative under the sun to make people conform to your politically correct group think, then you can deconstruct society from within.
'We're going to bring 4 million new people into the country in the space of 10 years, if you don't like it, you're a racist!'
'Mass immigration was all about rubbing the right's nose in diversity.' Andrew Neather, Senior Policy Advisor to Tony Blair.
It's how you undermine national unity, undermine the family, undermine all predominantly white religions and manufacture your utopian idealism: global open borders and socialism, so all people can live peaceably side-by-side and we can live in a society run by compassion and feelings, rather than logic and objectivity! Of course, it isn't going to work, but to say such a thing 'is racist.'
I'm afraid most people reading this post don't even have the first clue how deep political correctness - identity politics and moral relativism - goes. It's in the education system, it's Westminster, it's in the legal system, it's all over the place.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by TheCitizenAct
xoxo
Original post by thecatwithnohat
^^ The quote historians reference and read again and again 100 years from now after western civilisation has collapsed on its ass under the amalgamated pressure of 'the religion of feelings.'
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by TheCitizenAct
^^ The quote historians reference and read again and again 100 years from now after western civilisation has collapsed on its ass under the amalgamated pressure of 'the religion of feelings.'
I did like the drum roll though.
I think our boundary to offense is probably the same as it ever was - the difference is the frequency of communication. As starting evidence, my parents would get offended by several things which would not offend my friends. The difference? Not the my parents are more easily offended (and anyway, older people being more easliy offended would be evidence against OP) - but that jokes and potentially offensive comments are highly context dependant.
I suspect that there is a deal more outrage due to comments reaching more people who are not in the intended context for the joke/speech/whatever. Then that outrage spreads faster due to twitter etc.
I suspect that there is a deal more outrage due to comments reaching more people who are not in the intended context for the joke/speech/whatever. Then that outrage spreads faster due to twitter etc.
Original post by lerjj
I think our boundary to offense is probably the same as it ever was - the difference is the frequency of communication. As starting evidence, my parents would get offended by several things which would not offend my friends. The difference? Not the my parents are more easily offended (and anyway, older people being more easliy offended would be evidence against OP) - but that jokes and potentially offensive comments are highly context dependant.
I suspect that there is a deal more outrage due to comments reaching more people who are not in the intended context for the joke/speech/whatever. Then that outrage spreads faster due to twitter etc.
I suspect that there is a deal more outrage due to comments reaching more people who are not in the intended context for the joke/speech/whatever. Then that outrage spreads faster due to twitter etc.
Which is irrational.
Let me demonstrate.
White man to black man: 'black people should never be allowed to hold elected position in British Universities.' Pretty obvious racism, right?
Yet, The Independent publishes a post 'white people should never hold elected position in British Universities again.'
To many, it's not racism. Feminist: 'Racism is a structural issue and as white people hold all the power it's impossible to be racist towards a white person', apparently.
Now, how does advocating in favour of one form of racism not justify utilisation of another form of racism?
I could cite 1,000 of examples. This is how political correctness fester, these types of attitudes, the inconsistent application of morality. Believe it or not, this is why progressivism is falling to pieces right now.
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Original post by TheCitizenAct
Which is irrational.
Let me demonstrate.
[proceeds to talk about something unrelated to quote]
Let me demonstrate.
[proceeds to talk about something unrelated to quote]
I'm not sure you actually read my post... which is sad because it was only like four or five sentences long.
a) Double standards are not necessarily irrational, although they usually are
b) My post was not about double standards
c) Neither is this thread
d) Nevertheless, the groups who you claim to be holding double standards are usually the ones being offended. They are also generally minorities/oppressed. Huh, figure.
I think that people are becoming more 'offended' even though they don't know what it is to be offended and over react to something which is harmless
It's is simply a new mode of censorship.
People have the right to not be offended.
To be offended constitutes breaching their rights.
The right not been offended trumps the right to freedom of speech.
People also feel the need to feel offended on behalf of other people.
This is where cultural relativism comes in
You may not judge other people for there actions even if it constitutes a breach of current UK law.
Members of other cultures have a right to act as they wish, this trumps the British law.
I have one question for any cultural relativist, can you justify the holocaust and natzi Germany? No, I didn't think so.
People have the right to not be offended.
To be offended constitutes breaching their rights.
The right not been offended trumps the right to freedom of speech.
People also feel the need to feel offended on behalf of other people.
This is where cultural relativism comes in
You may not judge other people for there actions even if it constitutes a breach of current UK law.
Members of other cultures have a right to act as they wish, this trumps the British law.
I have one question for any cultural relativist, can you justify the holocaust and natzi Germany? No, I didn't think so.
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