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Ooh. So the Cardinals have just traded for Matt Barkley...

DOES THIS MEAN....? :biggrin:

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Original post by jammy4041

Ooh. So the Cardinals have just traded for Matt Barkley...

DOES THIS MEAN....? :biggrin:

Yes, Tebow makes the roster. Those 2 pointer quirks could get interesting if he
learns how to throw accurately.

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Original post by Wattsy

Yes, Tebow makes the roster. Those 2 pointer quirks could get interesting if he
learns how to throw accurately.

Tebow has come along so far since joining the Eagles. There's some bad habits still there, and he looks like a third stringer, but...I have to admit, he's fun to watch.

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Malevolent

So apparently Berman's ruling could contain a poison pill for the NFL haha

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/judge-bermans-ruling-may-contain-a-warning-for-the-nfl/

I feel like getting a pats jersey with Berman on the back :lol:

For you Goodell

Original post by jammy4041

Ooh. So the Cardinals have just traded for Matt Barkley...

DOES THIS MEAN....? :biggrin:

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Lol a conditional 7th rounder, they would have given any other team a ham sandwich but obviously Chip is too into smoothies to even want one. Barkley is presumably a camp body who will be cut as the Cardinals will go with Palmer, Stanton as their backup and Thomas as their project.

But yeah, TEBOW TIME.

Statistically 2 pointers have about a 48% success rate (0.95 expected point per attempt) whereas historically 32 yard field goals are more like 70-80% (0.7-0.8 EP per attempt), so from a statistical/game theory point of view it basically never makes sense to kick PATs any more except situationally. If you can improve that by having a two point specialist and you're going to carry 3 QBs anyway, then it makes sense.

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shunter7634

Original post by SmashConcept

Tebow's getting cut.

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Original post by shunter7634

Tebow's getting cut.

Literally just came here to point out that while I was typing that he was getting released :rofl:

Classic Chip.

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Back to the SEC network it is for Tim Tebow it is then... :frown:

..I'd really thought he'd stick in Philly this time. Oh well, he's shown he's improved a lot, and he's a good announcer, and knows his stuff.

I mean yeah, Bradford, has played amazing this off-season, and Chip must have a lot of confidence in his line to keep him healthy, but that's always been the big question mark. Sanchez is capable too, but they're the only QBs on the roster. If he can finally stay healthy, will make some good on his potential. He has been a bust because of his rookie contract, number one status, turnover and injury-proneness so far, but it's not because of a lack of talent.

If you have an iron-man like Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Eli Manning etc. then a 2-QB system makes sense. But, personallyI don't like having just two QBs on the roster where there's obviously no iron-man QB, and/or the o-line is hideous (not the case in Philly, but Mathis is gone...) because then you're a heartbeat away from having some other guy who doesn't know the system, having to have their learning of the system microwaved. That's when they then fall flat on their face, like last season's Cardinals.

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If he can't stick with Chip you have to say he's well and truly done. Don't most teams have their QB3 on the practice squad so they can be promoted if the need comes?

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Original post by jammy4041

If you have an iron-man like Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Eli Manning etc. then a 2-QB system makes sense. But, personallyI don't like having just two QBs on the roster where there's obviously no iron-man QB, and/or the o-line is hideous (not the case in Philly, but Mathis is gone...) because then you're a heartbeat away from having some other guy who doesn't know the system, having to have their learning of the system microwaved. That's when they then fall flat on their face, like last season's Cardinals.

To be fair, the Cardinals did carry 3 quarterbacks but fell flat on their face in one game because they didn't want to interrupt Logan Thomas's development schedule by throwing him into a playoff game when he wasn't ready. Could have been an intelligent long term decision, unlike the Redskins who have fallen flat on their face for the next few seasons because they didn't mind interrupting their quarterback's development by sending him into a playoff game with a papier maché knee.

Original post by Wattsy

If he can't stick with Chip you have to say he's well and truly done. Don't most teams have their QB3 on the practice squad so they can be promoted if the need comes?

Most teams who carry a QB3 do so on the active roster, because to get to a practice squad you need to be released and then clear waivers. Not a good choice with the QB you drafted in the 4th round and then invested time teaching your offense. The practice squad has certain limitations regarding who can be on it, and I don't think Tebow is eligible.

Edit - but they probably only activate 2 on game day since the game day roster is 45 players. This may be where the confusion is coming from.

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17 teams carried 3 QBs on the 53 last year, the rest had 2 so the schools of thought are fairly even.

I'm watching Auburn v Louisville right now; do college teams believe in O-Lines? I know I whine about O-Line being boring and that understanding it is inaccessible to the regular fan but I am legitimately missing good O-Line play. There's QBs everywhere! Sacks aren't exciting when you get them all the time after flat out beating the man off the snap. Also missing good QB decisions. THROW THE BALL AWAY. You can't throw to a reciever you can't see and you really can't throw a bomb into triple coverage.

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It's probably because you need five great players to have a great O line but you only need one elite defender to run through them (think Clowney when he decapitated that guy). It's hard to recruit consistently great athletes across the board unless you're an NFL team. Luckily for college offences they can solve the problem by putting their best athletes in the backfield.

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I suppose yeah, that Clowney hit is ridiculous. Thinking about it, O-Lines need chemistry too and you're never going to get that in college with recruitment cycles. It seems all college QBs now have to have some level of movement skills too. I can't think of the last college QB who's become an NFL starter you would describe as immobile. The fact that Louisville can't run the ball is probably not helping Bonnefon either. He doesn't seem good enough to work in a one-dimensional offence particularly against Auburn.

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Original post by Wattsy

God bless College Ball.

I'm watching BYU @ Nebraska at the moment. I forgot how good BYU's QB was before he got injured. So far, it's 24-14 BYU

Fantastic. ISU kick off in the Holt in 30 minutes! Yeah, they're facing a D-II team, but next week they face Boise State.

Stanford losing to Northwestern was shock. Big XII Kansas losing to FCS South Dakota State University on a fumbled spike snap was funny. Boise State beating Washington, while maybe not a shock, had a great story line. Elliot Hoyte, looked like a man possessed!! The guy from the UK done good!

Alas. Shelby Miller is starting later for the hopeless Braves! What do I watch?!?!?!?!

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I think with regard to the o-line, and with this being the first game of the college season for most teams, the baseline is low. With college ball, you can really see the players grow.

Yes, o-line play isn't as good, but the best o-lines in college ball really stand out. Arkansas have the best (and biggest) o-line in college, as they are returning a lot of high-quality proven starters. And they have a strong, power based running game.

Kicker are another thing that really stands out between the NFL and college ball though. It's taken for granted in the NFL that a kicker makes a 50 yarder into the wind, yet most college kickers will struggle to kick a 40 yarder.

How about Taysom Hill, though?! The kid from Pocatello, Idaho as well!! I honestly think he'll be one of the best QBs in the draft. The thing about BYU players though, is due to their Missions, they are older, but 'd happily take him first round if it wasn't due to the injuries.

He'll be nearing 26 at the time of the draft.

Ah, thanks BYU for Maddison Mangum. > :biggrin:

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Holy ****. Portland State, of the Big Sky have just upset Washington State. #FearTheFCS is well and truly alive!

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Original post by Wattsy

I can't think of the last college QB who's become an NFL starter you would describe as immobile.

I guess Mettenberger and Mallett are the closest.

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