Analysis of Left wing and Right wing

Grade A bolleaux, hideous generalisations and grossly misinterpreted differences.

So well done. Top troll fodder.

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Almost, it could be simplified with Left cares about people, Right cares about money.

The nanny state thing is entirely wrong though, that isn't left and right that is libertarianism vs authoritarianism, it's possible to be a left wing authoritarian or a right wing libertarian.

Reply 2

Lady Comstock

Real impartial "analysis". :rolleyes:

This just confirms the left's penchant for attacking the character of people they disagree with, whilst taking the self-righteous moral high ground.

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Reply 3

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by BefuddledPenguin

Almost, it could be simplified with Left cares about people, Right cares about money.

One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

Reply 4

caravaggio2

Original post by BefuddledPenguin

Almost, it could be simplified with Left cares about people, Right cares about money.
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While you're simpifying it could be that left spends the money while right supplies it.😁

Reply 5

caravaggio2

Left wing- promotes free speech.

Yes , thats right. As seen by all those right wing students closing down debates on campuses and shouting about not giving platforms to certain people.

Oh no wait a minute........😳

Reply 6

ImNotReallyMe

the right is all about making money and success, they are willing to manipulate people or exploit the environment to do so, think of oil companies for example, who will extract oil in the middle of a war zone, or create massive oil spills in the oceans which kills wildlife

the left arises when people realise this can't go on, because it is damaging and less sustainable, and that there's less focus on success and yourself, and more focus on others and on community, and taking care of the environment, so there's more empathy

Important points to note are:
- you shouldn't judge each of these levels of maturity, because in order to reach left, you have to have at some point gone through right, each is a part of human growth and you can't say on is better than the other
- each one has it's flaws, you can see the flaws of the right, the flaws of the left are that it's overly idealistic, particularly as you travel more left, caring and sharing doesn't solve all problems, you need real tangible solutions, lots of giving means you run out of resources etc.

Also, left isn't the end of it.

Reply 7

zippity.doodah

Original post by angryjobseeker

As someone who is not interested in politics, I think I do have quite a good idea of what each wing stands for. I shall sum these up below:

Right Wing

Approves of authority
Follows authority

Likes the status quo
Prefers rules and regulations

nope - I've met more people on the left that like tradition more than I have for the right actually. I hate tradition, personally. I hate the monarchy. I hate the way our government and parliament operate. I hate our religious history. I hate a lot of things traditional/status quo-oriented. and I "prefer rules and regulations"? no, I think you'll find the right wing of politics is against red tape.

Non inquisitive personality

are you kidding me? you think the right wing/libertarian founding fathers of the US were "non-inquisitive" types? socialism requires more non-inquisitive thought because it means a government has more responsibilities and that means that it has more powers, and if it has more powers, then that will mean that it is more tending to abuse of power with more opportunities for things to either go wrong intentionally (corruption) or accidentally. when you have less state involvement, you have, more likely, less state corruption in those areas.

Shuns intellectualism and debateApproves of the "nanny state"
Closed minded

I "shun" people who think that calling oneself "an intellectual" means that they're intelligent. most people who use that label are simply smugly-ignorant or proud of their own mediocrity; it's trendy to be a progressive right now, but "progressive" doesn't mean "clever" - it just means doing things in a way that a lot of people at least realise is a path of good intentions going wrong.

Approves of companies treating employees unfairly

"approval" is a difference concept to "tolerance" - I approve of things I like, but I tolerate things I don't like which I can't or shouldn't prevent for the sake of the other person's autonomy as a human being. and the government under more left wing politics will treat its citizens more unfairly by taxing them more than a fair amount (especially the rich whom have no objective responsibilities towards the poor on an economic or public level) so if a government was a corporation (which is basically is) then it would be the worst perpetrator of economic unfairness imaginable under left wing politics, compared to right wing politics

Left wing

Values freedom

nope - left wing politics rejects economic liberty. so that's a bad start, isn't it? and those on the right value freedom of speech over political correctness, while the left seem very much set on the opposite way around regarding those things.

Intellectual

nope, they'll just me more likely to call themselves that word

Questions authority

**** no. more left wing style politics = more government = more authority

Inquisitive
Promotes free speech

then why is it that the left are so besotted with the ideas of political correctness and prosecuting people for "hate speech"? it's only recently that we've had these kinds of laws and they all came from labour. the "public order" abuse of freedom of speech was nothing like labour's restrictions on speech.
also, consider this: let's think of the free world (western liberal democracies). do you think right wing america doesn't respect free speech as much as, say, sweden? america respects freedom of speech so much that they allow the KKK to protest things, and sweden (inter alios) put you in prison for simply verbally denying the holocaust, amongst other similar kinds of speech.

Rejects government interference in day to day life

are you kidding me right now? the government will intervene massively economically under left wing politics. it will mean that it will be their business regarding how much you earn, how long you work, where you work, how much more tax you pay, etc

Problem solving
Open minded

...? "problem solving"? by increasing authoritarianism? maybe? because they want the government to reject individual liberty to achieve collective comforts. "open minded"? how?

For employee's rights and against corporations

employees armed by a violent monopoly = government/mob-justice
corporations = individuals with the same rights as other individuals, but they are those individuals who happen to use their rights when others do not (e.g. making money and hiring people in a profitable manner)
so you don't know what you're talking about

This is the stuff I have observed from various forums, would you say that is quite accurate?

no. and I think in many areas you have it the wrong way around. left wing people seem to think that rights are things you can use to abuse other individuals (e.g. money, thought police, etc) while the right wing see rights as things you have to protect yourself from others who might abuse you. so left wing political rights are right of collective authoritarianism, while right wing liberty is individual freedom

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Reply 8

IamLiquid

Original post by angryjobseeker

As someone who is not interested in politics, I think I do have quite a good idea of what each wing stands for. I shall sum these up below:

Right Wing

Approves of authority
Follows authority
Likes the status quo
Prefers rules and regulations
Non inquisitive personality
Shuns intellectualism and debateApproves of the "nanny state"
Closed minded
Approves of companies treating employees unfairly

Left wing

Values freedom
Intellectual
Questions authority
Inquisitive
Promotes free speech
Rejects government interference in day to day life
Problem solving
Open minded
For employee's rights and against corporations

This is the stuff I have observed from various forums, would you say that is quite accurate?

I’m afraid you have a bad understanding of left wing and right wing.

You have left wing authoritarian, right wing authoritarian, left wing libertarian and right wing libertarian.

Most of the attributes that you have given to the right wing are those of the left wing authoritarians (communists, socialists etc.)

And most of the attributes that you have given to the left wing are those of the right wing libertarians (libertarians, classical liberalism, anarcho
capitalists etc.)

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Reply 9

Melonlemon

Original post by zippity.doodah

what are you talking about? I'm right wing and I hate authority/governance. what the hell are you talking about? socialism is authority, not capitalism! capitalism is liberty while socialism is a government telling everybody relatively how much they're allowed to earn and how much more taxes they must pay, and how much of their money they must pay to welfare queens

nope - I've met more people on the left that like tradition more than I have for the right actually. I hate tradition, personally. I hate the monarchy. I hate the way our government and parliament operate. I hate our religious history. I hate a lot of things traditional/status quo-oriented. and I "prefer rules and regulations"? no, I think you'll find the right wing of politics is against red tape.

are you kidding me? you think the right wing/libertarian founding fathers of the US were "non-inquisitive" types? socialism requires more non-inquisitive thought because it means a government has more responsibilities and that means that it has more powers, and if it has more powers, then that will mean that it is more tending to abuse of power with more opportunities for things to either go wrong intentionally (corruption) or accidentally. when you have less state involvement, you have, more likely, less state corruption in those areas.

I "shun" people who think that calling oneself "an intellectual" means that they're intelligent. most people who use that label are simply smugly-ignorant or proud of their own mediocrity; it's trendy to be a progressive right now, but "progressive" doesn't mean "clever" - it just means doing things in a way that a lot of people at least realise is a path of good intentions going wrong.

"approval" is a difference concept to "tolerance" - I approve of things I like, but I tolerate things I don't like which I can't or shouldn't prevent for the sake of the other person's autonomy as a human being. and the government under more left wing politics will treat its citizens more unfairly by taxing them more than a fair amount (especially the rich whom have no objective responsibilities towards the poor on an economic or public level) so if a government was a corporation (which is basically is) then it would be the worst perpetrator of economic unfairness imaginable under left wing politics, compared to right wing politics

Left wing

nope - left wing politics rejects economic liberty. so that's a bad start, isn't it? and those on the right value freedom of speech over political correctness, while the left seem very much set on the opposite way around regarding those things.

nope, they'll just me more likely to call themselves that word

**** no. more left wing style politics = more government = more authority

then why is it that the left are so besotted with the ideas of political correctness and prosecuting people for "hate speech"? it's only recently that we've had these kinds of laws and they all came from labour. the "public order" abuse of freedom of speech was nothing like labour's restrictions on speech.
also, consider this: let's think of the free world (western liberal democracies). do you think right wing america doesn't respect free speech as much as, say, sweden? america respects freedom of speech so much that they allow the KKK to protest things, and sweden (inter alios) put you in prison for simply verbally denying the holocaust, amongst other similar kinds of speech.

are you kidding me right now? the government will intervene massively economically under left wing politics. it will mean that it will be their business regarding how much you earn, how long you work, where you work, how much more tax you pay, etc

...? "problem solving"? by increasing authoritarianism? maybe? because they want the government to reject individual liberty to achieve collective comforts. "open minded"? how?

employees armed by a violent monopoly = government/mob-justice
corporations = individuals with the same rights as other individuals, but they are those individuals who happens to use their rights when others do not (e.g. making money and hiring people in a profitable manner)
so you don't know what you're talking about

no. and I think in many areas you have it the wrong way around. left wing people seem to think that rights are things you can use to abuse other individuals (e.g. money, thought police, etc) while the right wing see rights as things you have to protect yourself from others who might abuse you. so left wing political rights are right of collective authoritarianism, while right wing liberty is individual freedom

You've pretty much set the record straight here. I can't think of anything more that I could add as it stands without getting too far into nitty gritty stuff.

As for the OP, if you're going to carry out an analysis of something, it's a waste of everyone's time (including yours) if all you're going to do is be biased and insult the side you disapprove of.

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Pulse.

Original post by angryjobseeker

Left wing

Values freedom
Intellectual

LOL

Reply 11

wb25

There seems to be a confusion of social policies and economic policies here.

In reality there are two scales, one scale for your social beliefs, and another for your economic beliefs.

To sum it up quite simple,
-Left leaning social policies tend to be about freedom of speech & choice, and the freedom of every individual while the right focus on a more authoritarian traditional stance.

Economic policies are basically the opposite, a right wing economic policy focuses on a free market, minimal goverment intervention, while the left is the opposite and opposes a free market.

Reply 12

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by angryjobseeker

Well I was gonna quote posts but there are too many so I will just say that I must be more right wing than I thought because I seem to have it all muddled up. I always thought that left wing was anti authoritarian and pro liberty.

Me personally I hate the authorities and bureaucracy/rules like for instance you know you need a separate category on your driving licence to tow a trailer nowadays? I hate stuff like that.

So yeah, I am quite surprised by that. I thought the left was anti establishment which means they are against the government and the authorities but from what you have said it seems like right wing people are more against the authorities.

Why is it though that the right wing people always seem to get us involved in wars and such though? I thought that kind of thing is more associated with oppressive governments. Whereas a left wing government would sit it out and spend the money on employment on it's citizens the right wing government wants to spend money on fighting other countries instead.

The problem is that you are trying to make something very complex fit into simplistic easily defined boxes.

Reply 13

cole-slaw

left wing right wing is stupid *******s.

Why do humans insist on oversimplifying things to the point where they become meaningless gibberish?

Reply 14

Melonlemon

The whole purpose of war is to fight for our freedom and way of life. It's also to help those who live under persecution or threat of life. Unfortunately islam is all about judgement, persecution and threat. It's all very well for the left to stick their head in the sand and tell themselves it won't happen to them but that's the nature of this world, no country is safe from any threat - as we've seen throughout time and are still seeing today.

How do you deal with people who will kill you and understand nothing but violence? You have to be violent yourself. Offering them a job means less than nothing to them if they want your head on a spike.

Nobody wants war or to spend money on war but it's about weighing up the pros and cons and being honest with yourself over how real the threat is. Islam is a huge threat to us and has already killed millions of people. Unless we deal with it, we're next - or at least some way down the line.

It's not because right wing people want war and revel in guts and glory, we don't. We don't want our sons, brothers, fathers, uncles, husbands out there on the front line if can possibly be avoided.

Reply 15

Melonlemon

Original post by wb25

To sum it up quite simple,
-Left leaning social policies tend to be about freedom of speech & choice, and the freedom of every individual while the right focus on a more authoritarian traditional stance.

I have to disagree with you here I'm afraid. Freedom of speech and choice is far from labour's agenda. For instance, Ed Miliband was adamant he was going to jail people for even mentioning islam critically if he became PM. Freedom of speech is a right wing policy, definitely not a left wing.

Freedom of choice is also right wing. Right wing believes in free markets and competition - with that comes freedom of choice. I believe you included something to do with free markets in your post anyway - free markets = freedom of choice. If we want something that's made in China we can buy it, or from Israel, or from anywhere in the world. Right wing sees this as healthy and supports our freedom to the death.

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Melonlemon

Original post by cole-slaw

left wing right wing is stupid *******s.

Why do humans insist on oversimplifying things to the point where they become meaningless gibberish?

Because that's how it works. Over the last few centuries it has been tested infinitely. It's like anything - you either like sport or you don't. You either drive a car or you don't. You're either indoors or you're outside. There's 70 million people living on our little island, things have to be simplified to some degree or it would be chaos. You do, however, under this conservative government, have freedom of choice whether to vote left/right/central/or anywhere else in the spectrum. If you don't like it then you have the freedom of not voting. Getting testy over it is pointless and a waste of head space.

Reply 17

cole-slaw

Original post by Melonlemon

You either like food or you like drink. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.

Only class A morons think in terms of left wing and right wing.

Reply 18

gladders

Original post by angryjobseeker

As someone who is not interested in politics, I think I do have quite a good idea of what each wing stands for. I shall sum these up below:

Right Wing

Approves of authority

The Left approves of authority too. The question is which authority, and in which circumstances, left and right adhere to?

Follows authority

Same for the left, too - especially if that authority is 'the people', even if they get to choose what constitutes 'the people'. The right do the same, of course.

Likes the status quo

There are aspects of the status quo that the Left wants to preserve, too, and aspects the Right seeks to change.

Prefers rules and regulations

Again, depends on context. Some on the Right prefer small-government, light-touch regulation, and some on the Left seek stronger regulation and more government intervention.

Non inquisitive personality
Shuns intellectualism and debateApproves of the "nanny state"
Closed minded

Nonsense. I've known plenty of reasonable rightists, and plenty of boneheaded lefties.

Approves of companies treating employees unfairly

I doubt they see it that way, although some may see it as an unavoidable side-effect of greater side-effects, or assign the negative impact on something that can be arrested through some other change.

Left wing

Values freedom

Depends on the freedom. The Right values freedom too. But freedom to what, when, and to whom?

Intellectual

Edmund Burke wants a word with you.

Questions authority

And also adheres blindly to points of view that are emotionally valuable to it. The Right does the exact same thing sometimes.

Inquisitive

But can be close-minded.

Promotes free speech

But can also attempt to close it down, depending on what it is.

Rejects government interference in day to day life

As I said above - the Left is traditionally the more 'statist'.

Problem solving

And creating.

Open minded

But also can be closed.

For employee's rights and against corporations

Generally, yes, but can risk economic health in pursuit of ill-conceived economic goals.

This is the stuff I have observed from various forums, would you say that is quite accurate?

Alas, no. It's unwise to assign to political parties the views derived from forum posters. They tend to only represent themselves.

Reply 19

Melonlemon

Original post by cole-slaw

You either like food or you like drink. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.

Only class A morons think in terms of left wing and right wing.

You can have food and drink. There's no debate over that, it's a basic necessity of life.

I'm guessing that you think everyone else in the world is an A class moron for understanding politics and you're the only one who isn't? You might want to think about what that really means for a while before cracking on!