Should there be a ban on employers hiring EU citizens to do low skilled work

Haven't read rest of your posts yet so not sure the context but by enough do you mean if someone worked 40 hours in a stressful intense job and after paying bills had just enough to live off basic food thats enough to live off?

Even so it can vary, as a single guy living in dirt cheap accomodation after paying bills every week and no luxuries I would be reasonably well off(but even then not much more than on benefits and thats on dirt cheap rent)

If I paid the going rates for rent in a lot of areas I would be lucky to have as much as on benefits then I would also have to cover things like prescriptions, eyetests etc.

Well.. yes?
Houseshare

A living wage should not mean you are living off gruel every day and working long hours but it shouldnt be a life of luxury either it should at least be enough to make it feel worthwhile.

Without immigrants you will defnetley see the minmum wage go up to £14 an hour in menial jobs but
with floods of people from Eastern Europe employers can be so picky and employ 5 people to do the job of 1 full time
worker all on zero hours contract

So are you suggesting minimum wage isnt enough? Why not? None of the figures you've quoted seem particularly bad.

An 18yr old working full time on minimum wage will take home over £800 a month. So taking your £370 a month for accom and you're left with over £430 a month for food and bills.. plenty!

Happened before the immigrants arrived too, even back in the 90s when NMW came out my mum got like £1.60 a hour, when it went up to £2.50 I think they cut back on staff so people did the work of 2 or 3 people.

Then slowly around the late 90's employers got more and more greedy cutting back, I remember council blocks of flats having gardeners and on site wardens but now nothing but even shops used to have more tils in operation now 1 at a time.

Not taking into account taxes,

council tax

transport

and that most 40 hour jobs are actually 35 as they include lunch breaks which are unpaid and very few full time work available in many areas

Even before zero hour contracts I had a part time 12 hour a week contract and overtime was when company needed it and paid as much as 7 weeks in arrears.

Then prescriptions, basic payments and so on.

And for some areas those estimates are low, the place the rent was that had only minimal seasonal work and people commuted which cost like £40 a week

So not taking into account the travel by bus to town, and even if you were in a bedsit it would be like £85 per week rent, £40 a week travel. lets say £25 a week in taxes thats £150 off the mark from a £175 a week wage and thats if you dont have to pay any CT or top up electric and before you buy toiletries or food.

Australians get paid crazy amounts of money for doing menial work and they have no open borders
We should do the same close the borders and only allow highly skilled people like Doctors and Engineers
All this non sense about EU free movement of people is just b*** it's a way to reduce wages and screw the working class people
of this country

Again, why not regulate the market to pay people more for doing menial work? If employers are paying less than say the living wage for jobs but have the money to pay more if the supply and demand of labour tips in labours' favor it shouldn't be a problem.If you don't like the added bureaucracy and state interference of that then adopt the Friedman negative income tax. Then employers can pay peanuts but it will be additive on a basic income so people have enough and are always better off working.

It makes no sense that people who are opposed to a a living wage on the grounds it would put businesses out of business then go on to support a drying up of the labour market by stopping immigration when that will have the same effect of destroying businesses.

That's still helping employers profit.
Tbh I'd rather see 19 year old Joe from the estates is currently living on the dole to have the opportunity to earn a living wage doing a full time menial job at their local factory. This gives him the opportunity to earn his own money and not be a burden on the state. Rather than seeing bus load of Poles/Bulgarians and Romanians all willing to work for next to nothing on a ZHC.

0 income tax, 20 national insurance a month

Reduced or free

bike

Most 40 hour jobs are actually 37.5 paid hours which is what I based the monthly take home off of.

I did specify full time.

HC1 form

So move. Minimum wage is minimum wage all over the UK, go work full time in McDonalds up north where the cost of living is far cheaper

Where have you pulled this "£25 a week in taxes" from?

Its called National insurance and the other tax(cant remember what)

And by the way I live in Scotland, so if the rent is about £400 a month here(and Edinburgh is more like £500 for a flat share)

And heres a biggie that people always mess up, where do you get the money to move? not everyone can rely on relatives or credit to move.

And all the jobs I have worked have had lunch HOUR which means 5 hours less per week,

And I am sure people can bike 80 miles round journey a day, hey even in my home town people had to spend 2 hours each day on train which was about 75 miles each way since work wasnt available and that was BEFORE the recession and Polish people moved here since Scotland has a lot of old closed factories and mining industry.

And council tax is often still payable in flatshares and bedsits and nowhere near free.

Maybe not seasonal farm work but any other work employers must make sure that they recruit British people first.

The other day, I spoke to this agency to look for a summer job in a warehouse the agency is based in the UK and the lady picked up the phone and spoke to me in Polish, she really didn't need to speak in Polish she is in England.

Farms wages is really low, which makes me think if the migrants were banned from working in the UK the employers would be forced to pay a little over the minimum wage to attract people

There only 2 types of tax on income, one of which would be £0 and one would be about £20 on a minimum wage

As I said houseshare; I live in the very expensive South East and can houseshare for less than that.

How much does it really cost to move? Perhaps just a bit for transport and the room deposit for your new place.

Really? All the minimum wage ones I've come across have had 30 mins paid break, 30 mins unpaid a day for 7.5 hours paid a day.

Why would you be biking that far? It's a minimum wage job. Go find another which is closer to affordable housing. Heck, even in Reading you could rent a room for £300 a month and be in walking distance to a local McDonalds recruiting for full time staff.

If youre sole occupant of a property and on a low income; council tax is heavily reduced. If you're in a houseshare then it's split to become something even lower like £25 a month.

When I worked 20 hours a week I paid about £30 a week in NI and tax,

then had to pay council tax of about £30 a month

as even in Scotland CT is about £1300 a month for a small area and higher in other areas. so even with discount its a lot.

And areas where I lived minimum wage jobs even at McD's are hard to find, not impossible but limited compared to applicants, hey even have Polish workers there now.

The only place near me to get a chance at the job is the city 15 miles away.

And in general the closer you are to a workplace the more expensive to live so communiting is the only option,

I guess it's easy when you're middle-class and it's not your wages/hours/housing/areas that are being affected and it all gives you the chance to feel like the self-righteous social justice warrior snob that you are......before wondering why UKIP got 4 times more votes than The Green Party.

Do the middle class typically vote for Greens? I would have thought it far more likely to have been Conservative. That was certainly the result in my relatively affluent local area.