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How many times are you going to come on here to show off about how you're so wealthy?

All a bit sad really.
If you want to go then by all means leave - no ones stopping you- in fact I'll drive you to the airport free of charge - there's your big society.

Attack the man, not his words. Great strategy. As someone that is successful through nothing but their own hard work, it's important for voices like mine to be heard amongst this demographic. I don't belong to the social or academic elite. I don't belong to an industry whose reputation is universally loathed. I don't belong to a special group that's given me an unfair advantage. I'm an ordinary person that grew up in a pretty deprived city, attended a middling comprehensive and ended up with bad qualifications, but yet I aspired to something and I put the work in to get there. Your politics would have seen me comfortably sat in a low paid job and made aspiring to something utterly unappealing.

I don't get any glory from highlighting my story and my circumstances. I don't need any. I don't WANT any. I do it because it's important for young people to realise that they're not always going to be skint and if they choose to work hard, you don't need the government to bail you out to lead a good life. It's very easy to advocate endlessly taxing the heart and soul out of people when you aren't affected and you recieve all of the benefit.

Reply 101

drowzee

Original post by heimdala

Don't think public opinion will change much on trident, falklands, northern Ireland, NATO, immigration... Sure Labour and more leftwing supporters are going to love him, but the center is lost.

I'm not a Labour supporter myself, it's just nice to see there be a clearer distinction between Labour and the Tories now. Hopefully more votes for the Lib Dems then. :biggrin:

Reply 102

banterboy

Original post by elen90

He has some viewpoints that I think are - for want of a better word - positively barmy, but he aligns the most with where I am politically.

I suppose I would like to have a leader who is unapologetic and vehemently opposed to the Tory party. He may not be enough to get Labour into No. 10, but he can get the Tories out.

No he can't. What does this even mean.

Reply 103

ElephantMemory

Original post by Mad Vlad

Attack the man, not his words. Great strategy. As someone that is successful through nothing but their own hard work, it's important for voices like mine to be heard amongst this demographic. I don't belong to the social or academic elite. I don't belong to an industry whose reputation is universally loathed. I don't belong to a special group that's given me an unfair advantage. I'm an ordinary person that grew up in a pretty deprived city, attended a middling comprehensive and ended up with bad qualifications, but yet I aspired to something and I put the work in to get there. Your politics would have seen me comfortably sat in a low paid job and made aspiring to something utterly unappealing.

I don't get any glory from highlighting my story and my circumstances. I don't need any. I do it because it's important for young people to realise that they're not always going to be skint and if they choose to work hard, you don't need the government to bail you out to lead a good life. It's very easy to advocate endlessly taxing the heart and soul out of people when you aren't affected and you recieve all of the benefit.

Need more info your background. Surely you understand that there are groups of people who are born to fail?

Reply 104

username878267

Original post by Mad Vlad

Attack the man, not his words. Great strategy. As someone that is successful through nothing but their own hard work, it's important for voices like mine to be heard amongst this demographic. I don't belong to the social or academic elite. I don't belong to an industry whose reputation is universally loathed. I don't belong to a special group that's given me an unfair advantage. I'm an ordinary person that grew up in a pretty deprived city, attended a middling comprehensive and ended up with bad qualifications, but yet I aspired to something and I put the work in to get there. Your politics would have seen me comfortably sat in a low paid job and made aspiring to something utterly unappealing.

I don't get any glory from highlighting my story and my circumstances. I don't need any. I do it because it's important for young people to realise that they're not always going to be skint and if they choose to work hard, you don't need the government to bail you out to lead a good life. It's very easy to advocate endlessly taxing the heart and soul out of people when you aren't affected and you recieve all of the benefit.

Are you really blowing your own trumpet? Congratulations you must feel so big coming on a student forum to show off how wealthy you are.

Sorry if I don't gather inspiration from your stirring story.
If you want to go to America - go. No ones stopping you and I'm certainly not going to stand in your way.

Cheers.

Reply 105

StevePownall

Oh please!! Capitalism, Communism and Socialism all have their pros and cons, but you appear (I am not wishing to assume!) to believe Capitalism is bad e.g. your reference to 1%. For your information, I am not in the 1%, I have worked hard all of my life, never voted Tory and never had the opportunity to go to Uni until now.... I have no desire for my taxes to pay for those who do not wish to work, austerity, white elephant schemes e.g. Trident, HS2, nor pay green taxes to susbidise industry e.g. renewables, etc, I could go on. I would add that the whole statisical basis for our GDP etc is nothing more than 'smoke and mirrors', we are no longer a manufacturing country, it is based predominantly on services i.e. financials such as insurance and banking.

Caring about the 99% is one thing... but there will always be inequality. The 99% need to get a grip and argue for equality themselves.

As a first step, maybe the UK 99% should start debating how we gain electoral Proportional Representation rather than First-Past-the Post?? :wink:

Original post by Mr JB

If caring about the 99% rather than the 1% is arrogant then arrogant I am. Your lack of compassion and acceptance of servitude to the corporate monopolies is also duly noted. Funny how you also refused to talk about the increase in wealth inequality in these supposedly great capitalist countries.

Yay! Lets be more like great old America where roughly 1 in 4 children are living in poverty, there is a vast amount of uneducated children, lets privatise the NHS and make people rack up debts of thousands to get treatment, where gangs are shooting people for wearing the wrong colours, people are being hounded and harassed by a mafia-like IRS and a government that only cares about serving itself. Capitalism is obviously working. How about Singapore? Lovely country right? Big massive buildings and skyscrapers look lovely in cityscapes on Google Images! Wahoo! Oh wait, they don't tell you about the rampant poverty as people struggle around inner city blocks and all the other ills of society. No, they hide these people out of the view to try and present a lovely utopian place to live.

If you capitalists believe socialism doesn't work then stop using the NHS, that was created on a foundation of socialism, and start paying for private healthcare and only ever use that.

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Reply 106

somethingbeautiful

Did people get ballots for this or...? I didn't get anything through the post.

Reply 107

ElephantMemory

Everyone claims to be from a disadvantaged background. It's almost always *******s. I want to see an underclass person, raised on benefits on the council estate claim hard work is the key and show me other people from the background who have managed to do the same.

Reply 108

Mad Vlad

Original post by SmashConcept

I'm curious about which country you're planning to emigrate to if you want to go somewhere that doesn't participate in redistribution of wealth.

Sensible levels of social security and public services to provide protection for those in need and particularly those who, by no choice of their own, cannot work, is entirely reasonable. This government is working towards that bakance in my view. Socialists like Corbyn would reverse all of the necessary changes that have been made over the last 5 years and more in an appalling engorgement of the DWP's budget, paid for by devaluation of the economy, more debt and ridiculous tax increases.

I believe in a balanced welfare state, not one that makes it pay to choose to sit on your arse and procreate for more money.

Reply 109

heimdala

Original post by drowzee

I'm not a Labour supporter myself, it's just nice to see there be a clearer distinction between Labour and the Tories now. Hopefully more votes for the Lib Dems then. :biggrin:

Definitely a opportunity for libdems to reclaim the center, however Tim Farron seems to be more useless then Clegg(didn't even know that was possible). UKIP will most likely get a lot of votes in the north of england.

Reply 110

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by Mad Vlad

When tax is avoided on a large scale by they very richest people and organizations it is people like yourself that will pick up the bill.

If poorer people get no help with university costs and it is all in the form of loans, then again, it is people like you who found themselves in very well paying jobs that pay more. Not only do you pay more tax you have to pay all of your student loans (which are getting bigger) back.Or when governments outsource public services to profit driven companies who then gorge on your taxes. So you have to be taxed more.

Also not everyone can get to where you are. They just can't. Even if they were all capable and hard working enough, economics just doesn't work like that. There will always be those with less and those with more when human societies are organized like they are now. It;s all well and good saying if you work hard you can end up like me but we can not all physically do it.

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Reply 111

StevePownall

Hmmm, yes, I see what you are saying but Labour has managed to win elections before...

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

You are missing my point. There can not be an 'effective' opposition since to stray even slightly away from the status quo of economics makes you an extreme left. SDP were moderate Centre left. Now they would occupy similar ground to Corbyn as everything has shifted so far to the real existing neoliberal view.

Reply 112

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by somethingbeautiful

Did people get ballots for this or...? I didn't get anything through the post.

Are you a member or supporter?

Reply 113

tillytots

Why are the Tories believing this will guarantee them 2020 lol? You've also got to elect a new leader, and your current predictions aren't exactly popular either.

Reply 114

illegaltobepoor

Original post by Bornblue

Hi comrade Bornblue. We'll have to start calling each other comrade now Jeremy Corbyn is Labour leader.

I agree with you here. Its great for those who have rise to the top out of the misery which is a post industrial town or city while everyone else there is condemned to a life of low wages and 1st world poverty.

Truth is though not everyone can reach the well paying job even with good qualifications and experience. What Mad Vlad speaks of is a con. How can everyone be as successful as him when low paid workers are needed more than high paid workers?

Care Workers.
Cooks/Chefs.
Lorry Drivers.
Mechanics.
Telesales/Call Center Workers.
Delivery Drivers.
Bus Drivers.
Learning Support Assistants.

The chance to be a high paid worker increases in boom times but they are just as easy fired when the boom ceases to exist.

We need to challenge the neo-liberal mindset because the suggestion of 'some day you will be rich too if you work hard' is nothing more than a out right lie to cleanse the beholder of any responsibility to the previous generation.

So Comrade you do well against the hordes of neo-liberals but you need to really bring the wall up against them so they can't breathe and as soon as they come out with more rubbish put your facts and truth into their throat so they choke on it! As figure of speech. Not literally of course!

Reply 115

Thorsas

A lot of people don't care about winning in 2020. Not that they'd rather lose, it's just not the focus at all. Politics has become so centralised in this country and for many that's not good enough. If winning as a labour government means copying the tories, what on Earth is the point of the labour government?

For too long a Labour vote has simply been a 'not the tories' vote, and even then we get tory-lite policy we don't agree with. People only vote labour because they hate the tories, not because they like labour. And even then, too many decide they're all the same (not unjustifiably) and don't vote at all.

With Corbyn Labour actually has a man who stands up for the principles this party was set up to enforce. That's what people want. Loads and loads of people voted for him not because they agree with some of his wishy-washy, extremist leftist viewpoints that would never work and have been implemented successfully in other countries such as in Scandinavia, but simply because he is a real person. He's not a sound-bite machine and he's not a puppet on silver strings who will say whatever he thinks will get him the most votes. He stands up for his values and what's more he's willing to listen and to actively change his policy based on the views of the people who gave him power - and that is The People - the voters, a fact so many politicians forget.

Compromise to the centre is necessary in politics of course. But how about we talk about where our ideals are - the society that we strive to create - and work slowly, progressively towards that, rather than starting already at the centre and supporting nothing but the status quo. People want discussion of the politics we'd like to see and an explanation of whether or not they are possible and how far they can be implemented at the current time. They do not want an Oxbridge educated career politican to dictate to them what is best for them and their families...

Regardless of your views on Corbyn's electability he's going to do a lot of good for the labour party in engaging disillusioned or unsure members and in reviving debate for a New Left - actually moving towards a caring society, within a capitalist paradigm, that supports people when they are in need in a modern, measured way. As Corbyn pointed at today, many of us believe we are big enough as a country for that and that we do care enough for that. Having a man like this as leader of the only Party in the country capable of standing up for the interests of ordinary people is a gigantic step forward for political debate as a whole, no matter the eventual outcome.

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Reply 116

elen90

Original post by banterboy

No he can't. What does this even mean.

Why do you say that?

The Tories aren't exactly popular right now and Corbyn is good at what he does - he opposes.

Reply 117

Antzlck

I think it's brilliant. My political views are pretty varied but I think this offers the country real choice.

Reply 118

scrotgrot

Original post by Gears265

I know no right winger who wants him dead, we are very much happy he is leader, Labour and it's inevitable defeat is upon us and we have a front row seat. I can not wait, no assassination will be ruining my enjoyment.

Why is it that you would enjoy so much the destruction of the Labour Party?

Reply 119

TurboCretin

Original post by Mactotaur

It's a repeating cycle. Do well, get media attention so you do better, so you get more media attention...

The media doesn't focus on success, it focuses on controversy. Corbyn got both votes and attention because he is controversial. At least in the bizarre world of Westminster.