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Why is it that you would enjoy so much the destruction of the Labour Party?

I will never forgive what Labour did to this country in the Blair/Brown years. I have so much hate for Labour and sadly it is engrained in my blood now.

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nulli tertius

Original post by Gears265

I will never forgive what Labour did to this country in the Blair/Brown years.

A damn sight less damage than they did in the Wilson/Callaghan ones.

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Aj12

Well the next few weeks are going to be interesting to watch. I wonder how much he'll compromise on issues like NATO and Trident. Although he seems to already be back-pedalling on that. Still at this point I don't see how Labour can do well in 2020, but early days....

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scrotgrot

Original post by Mad Vlad

Attack the man, not his words. Great strategy. As someone that is successful through nothing but their own hard work, it's important for voices like mine to be heard amongst this demographic. I don't belong to the social or academic elite. I don't belong to an industry whose reputation is universally loathed. I don't belong to a special group that's given me an unfair advantage. I'm an ordinary person that grew up in a pretty deprived city, attended a middling comprehensive and ended up with bad qualifications, but yet I aspired to something and I put the work in to get there. Your politics would have seen me comfortably sat in a low paid job and made aspiring to something utterly unappealing.

I don't get any glory from highlighting my story and my circumstances. I don't need any. I don't WANT any. I do it because it's important for young people to realise that they're not always going to be skint and if they choose to work hard, you don't need the government to bail you out to lead a good life. It's very easy to advocate endlessly taxing the heart and soul out of people when you aren't affected and you recieve all of the benefit.

It might be a strange concept for you, but some people don't vote in their own self-interest. I'm skint at the moment like everyone else, but my class and ability means I will be OK whatever sort of government is in power. It's the people for whom it does matter which government is in power that I care about. I don’t want to see any more disabled people or un(der)employed people put through misery etc etc in the name of giving me literally a couple of hundred quid every year (and that's if they actually do lower taxes, which they never do: a Tory government has never failed to raise VAT the second it's got into power, and aside from those earning over 100,000 the only people the income tax reductions fail to benefit are the underemplpyed poor).

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somethingbeautiful

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Are you a member or supporter?

Oh I see, that's how it works. I've never voted for anything other than the general elections so I had no idea how it worked. I've never signed up for membership of any political parties.

Reply 125

banterboy

Original post by elen90

Why do you say that?

The Tories aren't exactly popular right now and Corbyn is good at what he does - he opposes.

How do you suppose he'll get the Tories out if he can't beat them?

And an incompetent opposition is no op[position at all, no matter how principled, no matter how admirable, no matter how loud.

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scrotgrot

Original post by Gears265

I will never forgive what Labour did to this country in the Blair/Brown years. I have so much hate for Labour and sadly it is engrained in my blood now.

What id they do to this cpuntry that you didn't like?

Are you aware that the present election of Corbyn is a conscious rejection of Blairite economics? Are you aware that the present Conservative Government takes many of its political cues from the Blair playbook?

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illegaltobepoor

Original post by Mad Vlad

Sensible levels of social security and public services to provide protection for those in need and particularly those who, by no choice of their own, cannot work, is entirely reasonable. This government is working towards that bakance in my view. Socialists like Corbyn would reverse all of the necessary changes that have been made over the last 5 years and more in an appalling engorgement of the DWP's budget, paid for by devaluation of the economy, more debt and ridiculous tax increases.

I believe in a balanced welfare state, not one that makes it pay to choose to sit on your arse and procreate for more money.

Of course that is why the Tories are hounding people with disabilities that they where born with!

Apparently IDS can cure down syndrome! He can! All he needs to do is ignore the disability ever existed in the person and then wush boom woo! Person cured of disability! Takes them off ESA & PIP and puts them on JSA.

IDS powers are so great that he cured everyone in the ESA WRAG group in just 1 day.

MIRACLE! MIRACLE I TELL YOU!

IDS IS A HERO!

(edited 8 years ago)

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ChaoticButterfly

Original post by somethingbeautiful

Oh I see, that's how it works. I've never voted for anything other than the general elections so I had no idea how it worked. I've never signed up for membership of any political parties.

Anyone who was not already a member could pay £3 to vote in it basically.

Who would you have voted for?

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 129

scrotgrot

Original post by banterboy

How do you suppose he'll get the Tories out if he can't beat them?

And an incompetent opposition is no op[position at all, no matter how principled, no matter how admirable, no matter how loud.

Not at all. A competent opposition drives political debate. The Tory bag of tricks is tired already and will only become more so. The Front National drove French politics for maybe a decade after 2002. The Tories have been dancing to UKIP's tune since about 2013. Even a small party can drive policy. I am glad the Tory narrative will be robustly and credibly challenged under someone with an Old Labour approach to economics.

However with the Tories pursuing four separate gerrymandering exercises to shore up their tiny majority, no Labour leader - particularly not the charisma-free lot putting themselves forward (in this I include Corbyn) - has a chance of a 2020 majority.

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elen90

Original post by banterboy

How do you suppose he'll get the Tories out if he can't beat them?

And an incompetent opposition is no op[position at all, no matter how principled, no matter how admirable, no matter how loud.

Coalition.

Reply 131

Gears265

Original post by nulli tertius

A damn sight less damage than they did in the Wilson/Callaghan ones.

Well I find the 13 years of Blair and Brown more personal since I lived through them.

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username1229433

I think there is something a bit dodgy about this guy. But, we will see. He has 5 years to prove himself as a worthy leader of the Labour Party.

I'm hoping that Labour wins in 2020.

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username878267

The right wing smugness and complacency is hilarious. Underestimate him at your own risk Tory boys:

Reply 134

weirdnessandcoffee

Yes, I am happy. Extremely, I joined Labour because of Corbyn.

HOWEVER.

Corbyn needs to play the system he is in to win the system. Personally, his speech today admiring the efforts of Blarites did that, and he needs to continue like that to harness the support of the entire party. Unity is crucial, but above all- he needs to be able to play Cameron and really question the nations current values. Like it or not, we had a Conservative majority and Corbyn's job will be to convince people his economic policies and social policies CAN work. I believe they can, but everyone else needs to as well. He needs party advisors who really care about him, I just hope he isn't going to be a puppet for the party at the end of it all- realistically, he's being thrust into this environment that he has had no exposure to before. He's a backbencher.

I am excited to see where our new Labour takes us, but at the same time somewhat terrified.

Reply 135

miser

He comes across as a principled guy, and principles are too often sadly missing in politics.

Reply 136

nulli tertius

Original post by weirdnessandcoffee

He's a backbencher.

He's a disloyal backbencher and that is what will come to haunt him.

I suspect most Labour MPs will want to very quietly not associate with him for fear of stirring up left wing mobs in their constituencies.

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illegaltobepoor

Original post by Bornblue

The right wing smugness and complacency is hilarious. Underestimate him at your own risk Tory boys:

Pride can be a huge weakness of the privileged. They'll attend their dinner parties mock and scoff at the lower classes but out of no where revolution will be waiting and will show its self when the class of capital least expect it.

Your right comrade. With Corbyn we can bring anti-neo-liberalism into the mainstream and educate people why all their efforts are in vain and when the illusion is lifted they will realize that they have been played, manipulated and even gambled with to ensure the decadence of a few who produce nothing. The real scroungers aren't among us but can be seen every day in the house of commons and up in their huge towers in London.

Reply 138

Everglow

All the other Labour candidates were Tory-lites, so I think this was the best result possible to show that Labour and the Tories are different.

That said, I'm unlikely to vote Labour again. He's too left wing for my liking.

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Pegasus2

Original post by Mactotaur

What makes him an idiot?

His foreign policy?

He wants to leave NATO, drop defence spending below 2% GDP and get rid of Trident.

Are the Russians paying him or somthing?

Original post by Aj12

Hopefully all the way and he will never discuss or even utter a word about it ever again. Our navy, army and airforce are all very small compared to what they used to be and for a country our size.

The RN surface fleet currently has:
6 destroyers
13 frigates
assorted smaller ships

Currently we spend 35billion on defence but 43billion maintaining the public debt.