Corbyn voted new labour leader.

This is an infuriatingly immature response to Corbyn's nomination. What you are claiming is that it does not matter whether Labour have any integrity or stand up for their own values: all you care about is them seizing power and doing the exact same things as the Conservatives. Tribalism at its finest.

Any Labour supporter that thinks this is a good thing is frankly deluded. See you in 2025 after you've got a new leader.

Ok, that's fair enough; no it's not a strange concept to me - a lot of my political beliefs don't actually affect me either. But I did want to pick up on the highlighted point here... has the current administration raised VAT? No. Has it indicated that it wants to raise VAT? No. In fact to the contrary, it's said outright that it won't raise VAT. It doesn't make sense to raise it further and importantly, it's not necessary to do so to achieve the government's target of running a surplus by FY19.

Well happy with it, I'm just hoping he can stear the media narative away from the tory's politics of fear.

I find it disgusting that the Tory's couldn't even wait a day to start taking words out of context and trying to scare the wider public away from Labour. As an example, in the email they sent out they highlight Jeremy Corbyn said Bin Laden's death was a 'tragedy'. In actualy fact he said it was a tragedy he was killed and not put on trial. The Tory's of course chose the leave that out... I don't see what is wrong with that statement tbh, I always thought we lived in a society that gave everyone the right to a fair trial. Yes what Bin Laden did was disgusting, but given a fair trial we would have been able to deal with him with the full force of the law. I don't see how this makes Corbyn a national security risk...

But like I said I hope Corbyn can stear the narative away from this politics of fear, and people see through the Tory's out of context and misleading propaganda.

hehe, looking forward to labour civil war and the media ripping him to shreds.

I just watched the Panorama from Monday. Even the BBC is tearing him apart.
I would suggest that the immature position would be to give up on ever making any actual change in favour of sitting on the sidelines and talking about infeasibly big change. If your policies cannot appeal to enough of the electorate to give you a shot at actually putting some of them into effect they are worth absolutely nothing.

Corbyn's values do not = Labour values. There are a great many Labour supporters who think some or all of Corbyn's ideas are crazy. I'm a pragmatist, at the end of the day Labour need to win an election if they ever want to stop Tory policies and try to undo the damage they've done, and that isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader. You're not much of a socialist if you value your political ideals more than the chance to help working people.

Cannot agree with this more. This was literally aa life or death decision for some people. As a result of electing Corbyn the Tories will most likely get another term and vulnerable people will die because of it. That's what upsets me most. That's what upsets me so much.

(Plus even more badgers, poor badgers )

Although the party got wiped out anyway at the polls with Miliband's rather confused mix of neo-Blairism thinly overlayed with a window dressing of concern about high energy prices and the lack of affordable housing.

In fact, from the narrow viewpoint of the Labour Party, something like Corbyn may be just what they need to begin the long climb back. I would think they will recover a lot of MPs in Scotland if Corbyn is still in office at the next election. They will struggle to do well in the Midlands, but if Jez has half a brain (and he does) he will mix the socialism with a lot of populist policies and sound calm on aspiration. (He's already done that quite a bit during his campaign.)

The real difficulty is will he be willing to actually take on leading? At times I've felt that he really wants to continue being a protester rather than a leader. Right after he was elected, he went to join the march on Syria. I support that too, but he needs to try to rethink a lot of how he used to behave as a protest MP.

The other big issue of his leadership is going to be his London-centric experience. In many ways (albeit different ways) he's another typical Islington leftie and that isn't exactly a popular group nationally. He often sounded over-absorbed in London issues on the stump. He has to break out of that, which will be difficult for him, as he has only ever been a London backbench member with no other responsibilities.

How will they struggle in the Midlands which is one of few places that will keep voting Labour till the cows come home? Tom Watson as deputy will help bolster that.


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Cannot agree with this more. This was literally aa life or death decision for some people. As a result of electing Corbyn the Tories will most likely get another term and vulnerable people will die because of it. That's what upsets me most. That's what upsets me so much.

(Plus even more badgers, poor badgers )

I meant in the Midlands swing seats like Nuneaton or Birmingham Edgbaston which have a big impact on the national decision. Watson is basically another left winger (somewhat more centrist than Corbyn though) and whilst he is a popular man, I'm not sure he's enough. Well, he definitely isn't actually. Inner London may well vote for Corbyn, so that would be OK in a general election. Places in the South where Blair won would remain in the Tory box.

You claim to support tackling climate change yet you support a man who wants to reopen the coal mines and use it to drive an industrial revolution? Please enlighten me because Corbyn will only see CO2 emissions spike.

Maybe if 190 MPs hadn't pathetically abstained on the welfare bill it wouldn't have passed. 'They didn't trust us on welfare' Harman kept saying, which to me suggests they wanted to passively accept the measures which you criticise above.


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Although the party got wiped out anyway at the polls with Miliband's rather confused mix of neo-Blairism thinly overlayed with a window dressing of concern about high energy prices and the lack of affordable housing.

In fact, from the narrow viewpoint of the Labour Party, something like Corbyn may be just what they need to begin the long climb back. I would think they will recover a lot of MPs in Scotland if Corbyn is still in office at the next election. They will struggle to do well in the Midlands, but if Jez has half a brain (and he does) he will mix the socialism with a lot of populist policies and sound calm on aspiration. (He's already done that quite a bit during his campaign.)

The real difficulty is will he be willing to actually take on leading? At times I've felt that he really wants to continue being a protester rather than a leader. Right after he was elected, he went to join the march on Syria. I support that too, but he needs to try to rethink a lot of how he used to behave as a protest MP.

The other big issue of his leadership is going to be his London-centric experience. In many ways (albeit different ways) he's another typical Islington leftie and that isn't exactly a popular group nationally. He often sounded over-absorbed in London issues on the stump. He has to break out of that, which will be difficult for him, as he has only ever been a London backbench member with no other responsibilities.

Are you on drugs or something?

Even Blair looked after vulnerable people. Labour won't turn their backs on that. It's just more effective to get into power and implement policies than it is to oppose the Tories potentially relegation yourselves to another 5 years in opposition.