Why is this considered transphobic?

It would actually be classed as homophobic. The strict definition of phobia is an irrational fear wherras most homophobic people arent actually scared of gay people

But, is there anything wrong with someone calling you the other sex? It's as wrong as someone seeing you have brown hair (for example, I don't know) and saying you have blonde hair. It's wrong insofar as it being incorrect, but I wouldn't be taking offence at it. Persistently saying it could become harassment, but the statement itself should not be hurtful unless the subject feels that there is something wrong with being the other gender or blonde, and then that's their issue to deal with.

My reaction to "You're a woman/blonde" would be along the lines of "Okay, whatever". Or at least, that's what I feel it should be rather than being offended, because really, there isn't anything wrong with being a woman or blonde, is there? It's very different to someone actually attacking by saying "You're lazy" or "You're an idiot" which are bad.

What would you actually do if someone called you a man? To go back to the original situation, how about if they turned down your request for a date saying you were a man?

Damn. Maybe we were wrong. You've sure shown us.

omg pls get a life this is killing me like go outside pls

Because you and your ilk are actively cooperating with a mental disorder, despite the obvious, objective proof that you're actually encouraging thousands of people to throw their lives down the toilet. Have you seen suicide rates for post-transition GID sufferers? Off the charts.

Your attitude is murdering some of the most vulnerable people in our society, who need compassion and understanding, not encouragement. I won't stop going on about this until people recognise that something needs to change. And I don't blame the vast majority of people - but individuals like yourself, who actively encourage it, have blood on your hands.

Another quality refutation of my factually backed-up points. It's clear to me now that you are right, look at all of your evidence.

Another quality refutation of my factually backed-up points. It's clear to me now that you are right, look at all of your evidence.

As times change so too must people. The world is becoming more accepting of things like being LGBT+, and it is ignorant and self-centred that you would consider an approach to life different from your as mentally deficient.

Being transgender does not mean you have a mental disorder since by definition such is a state that causes, "significant distress or disability." and trans* people pursue gender reassignment surgeries to restore happiness and sober-mindedness- there is no way that this can be construe as a mental disorder and making presumptions like that can be immeasurably harmful.

I provided a longer comment for your pleasure but I literally have no ****ing energy to debate this with you. Live your life as you like, even if that is in a narrow-minded and prejudiced way, just don't cause others harm by doing this, please. Keep opinions that might offend an entire demographic of people to yourself, or prepare to be hated. It's common sense and common decency.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were an advocate of throwing LGBT+ people in mental asylums to receive ice baths and electric shocks. If so, though, that'd about 10% of the worlds happy and healthy population, including me. Trans* people are happy in their pursuits of gender-reassignment and I don't think that it's your place to tell them what they can and can't do. Respect their autonomy.

You're right about how transitioning makes one happy and sober-minded. That's why they're topping themselves left, right and centre I assume.


Well no offence but I can only assume your firm beliefs are baseless horse crap, because you've given no proof. You appear to have just decided, unilaterally, that this must be the case. If you were to bother to look, you'd find the evidence on the subject is actually ambiguous - you're perfectly capable of making a credible case in favour of some sort of gender spectrum. The fact that you haven't even tried is reason enough for everyone to consider your opinions as garbage.


I accept that the human race is diverse. I'm not hateful. I just don't think that promoting mental disorders and condemning the most vulnerable in our society to misery and death to make ourselves feel good is a particularly just or worthwhile enterprise.


Something about that asterisk cracks me up. I can't quite put my finger on what, but it's funny.

Leelah Acorn committed suicide because she was unwell. I don't doubt that she probably recieved some hateful comments online, but so does everyone else. Not everyone kills themselves.

It isn't my hatred that's killing people with GID, because I don't hate them. I pity them and I want to protect them.


>I can't be bothered to ground my strong moral convictions in objective fact, because I'm too busy gossiping with my girlfriends about how many trans friends I have and how much I hate the patriarchy, lmao you sad little cis boy

To answer—This doesn't make any sense. "Topping themselves"is due to receiving unrelenting hate and abuse from the community and peoplelike you, not finally being able to receive the treatment that will allow themto live happy and full lives.My opinions are not baseless and you can't presume thingslike that. Also, if the evidence of the subject is ambiguous then why are youfirmly stuck in thinking that transgender people have a mental disorder, whenyou couldn't possibly know? You're right, I am capable of making a case infavour of the gender spectrum, but it's 23:46pm and I've been revising for myUKCAT test all day.It is not apparent that you accept diversity, but it isquite obvious that you are prejudiced. Once again, you are not able to knowthat this is a mental disorder. They also aren't the most vulnerable in oursociety, they are mentally healthy, capable and strong. I don't understand howmy advocation of getting them the treatment they desire is condemning them todeath, and your denying them the thing they need most desperately is helpingthem to any degree.The asterisk is to include all transgender, gendernon-conforming and non-binary identities, what's funny?And no, Leelah Alcorn committed suicide because her familyrefused to accept her, took her to therapy that made her think that she wasabnormal and should feel ashamed, isolated her completely from the world andher friends for months, and continuously denied her basic human rights anddecency for trying to be herself. Read her suicide letter.They don't need your pity.I have no trans friends in real life; I don't hate thepatriarchy (although I consider myself a feminist.); I don't have any,"girlfriends" but a boyfriend would do nicely, I'm most definitelynot sad, I'm actually quite little, and you got it right when you called mecis. Your point being?{��3g�

Then I'll be hated. But I'll be right, and I'll be able to live with myself because I won't be passively supporting the deaths of thousands of the unwell.


First of all, it's 2%.

Second of all, I take issue with being LGB and your attempts at smearing me by suggesting I do are laughably sad. I respect everyone's autonomy, but when you're mentally unstable you clearly aren't fit to exercise that autonomy and you need to be protected and supported until you once again reach a point where you are able to once again.

To answer—This doesn't make any sense. "Topping themselves"is due to receiving unrelenting hate and abuse from the community and peoplelike you, not finally being able to receive the treatment that will allow themto live happy and full lives.

How are you able to presume that being trans is a mental disorder? Did i not already tell you the definition of a mental disorder, and how as a result it cannot be referred to as one?

Even if that were true (and its not) you can't deny that most people who get bullied/recieve hurtful comments online (which is almost everyone) don't kill themselves. And yet as a disproportionate amount of people with GID do. Does that not say anything to you at all?


It sure seems to be baseless, you haven't shown me a hint of base.


Because unlike you, I've looked at the evidence available to me and have come to a conclusion based upon it. I acknowledge that I can't say I'm right with 100% certainty but I am stridently confident that I am correct and that as more evidence comes to light I will be proven as such.


Right. But that wasn't the case yesterday, or any other day that you've happened across a thread on this subject. I'm pretty confident you've never written a case in favour of a gender spectrum that's backed up by evidence, not even once.


I still think I trust Dr Paul McHugh more than I do you. Sorry.


What they desire? When have we ever given the mentally unwell "what they desire"? Are they really in a position to judge?


I actually think that's what's funny. You've taken a swathe of society, a substantive amount of which are genuinely mentally unwell but a larger portion comprises teenage posers, you've drawn lines in the sand to make them all somehow different from one another so that they're all unique and special, and then you warp your own vocabulary so that you don't accidentally offend anyone. It's bizarre.


She was abnormal. She needed the therapy. Being able to mutilate one's own genitalia is certainly not decent, nor is it a basic human right. She killed herself because of a massive network of people attempting (and evidently succeeding) to drive a wedge between an unstable girl who needed help and a concerned family.


The writings of a suicidal, delusional 17 year-old boy hopped up on hormones are the last place anyone should be going to discover the truth. About anything.


Yes, they do. And they need yours too.


That was my surmation of your general attitude toward me.


You told me, I told you that you were wrong and then I quoted Dr McHugh to prove that you were wrong. You don't get to decide.


The evidence tells the opposite story. I don't doubt that there are people who react appallingly to members of their family having this disease. I don't doubt that there are people who are ostracised by their families and bullied for having it. But there are people in the same scenario for other reasons too. Encouraging their delusion isn't much better than outright bullying them in the long run.

God I don't have the stamina to tell you why everything you are saying is wrong, but I will pose some questions-

Mentally illness is by enlarge a social construct I.e what is acceptable behaviour or what is abnormal behaviour.

This is abnormal behaviour


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Yeah, this makes perfect sense. To clear up anything, "sex" is determined physically by your genitalia, and as far as I know you can be male, female or different degrees of intersex. This is where you possess an amalgam of chromosomes, genitalia or/and gonads from both sexes (EG You might have traditionally female XX chromosomes but also have testicles.)

On the other hand, gender is a spectrum and is determined mentally, with the extremes of either side being completely female/complete femininity and completely male/ complete masculinity. Trans people are a different gender to their sex.

I understand the point you are making, but his wording is still transphobic. What he might want to say to avoid any offense, would be, "I want to go out with someone who has female sex organs and identifies as female." but that is a bit long-winded.

So there's this new series that has started in the UK called 'Boy meets Girl'. It's about how this guy and a transwoman meet and whatever - don't think I'll be watching it, but it's had good reviews.

Anyway, in the series, he accepts what she is and continues to date her.

But what if I was in the guy's situation and I said no, that I wouldn't want to date her... is that transphobic?

If my reasoning is because I want to date a woman?

If you want people to accept transgenderism, shouldn't we have to accept that a lot of people, like me, don't want to date them?

I don't look down on transexuals. I think they're incredibly brave and should be allowed to do whatever they please... but I feel trapped if I deny them.