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Original post by Okorange
Yes but also not really, i'm sure most employers don't know what Oxford, Cambridge or any good university is famous for and i'm sure most don't care. They are looking at the candidate in front of them not whether the candidate is distantly associated with a research discovery through their university...

For example, if I went to an interview and then mentioned that my medical school invented problem based learning, evidence based medicine and the multiple mini interview, would that make the employer think, wow this guy is a great hire, or would they think that i'm crazy.. Unless I was involved in these research accomplishments it doesn't reflect on me at all.


The prestige of a university should not matter much if you are a medic, surely? Unless you want a research career? What is more prestigious, becoming a professor in Medicine, or a Consultant?
Original post by Broscientist
So let us examine the main leader when it comes to HE (sharing the same benefits of English being the language of academia) - The United States of America.

US: ~18 trillion GDP, ~320 million population
UK: ~3 trillion GDP, ~65 million population

Let's use the QS World Rankings as this is the topic of the thread:
US: 5 universities in the top 10, 30 universities in the top 100
UK: 4 universities in the top 10, 18 universities in the top 100

Seems like a very solid "pound-for-pound performance" in my opinion. It is even more impressive if you consider the ridiculous amounts of endowment US universities are getting. Just my two cents.


Isn't it practically a waste of money to go to a state US university? According to one of my american friends, he says the private colleges are generally much more regarded by the best companies, and therefore they attract the best talent.
Original post by King of the Ring
The prestige of a university should not matter much if you are a medic, surely? Unless you want a research career? What is more prestigious, becoming a professor in Medicine, or a Consultant?


Well yeah I do want a research career and generally becoming a professor in medicine is more prestigious, its much harder than becoming a consultant.
Original post by Okorange
Well yeah I do want a research career and generally becoming a professor in medicine is more prestigious, its much harder than becoming a consultant.


But who is boss in the hospital? A professor cannot perform surgery.
Original post by Okorange
Yes but also not really, i'm sure most employers don't know what Oxford, Cambridge or any good university is famous for and i'm sure most don't care. They are looking at the candidate in front of them not whether the candidate is distantly associated with a research discovery through their university...

For example, if I went to an interview and then mentioned that my medical school invented problem based learning, evidence based medicine and the multiple mini interview, would that make the employer think, wow this guy is a great hire, or would they think that i'm crazy.. Unless I was involved in these research accomplishments it doesn't reflect on me at all.


When there are good and frequent research output, the university will be mentioned more by the media and thus its reputation will go up, or if anything, name recognition.
Original post by Little Toy Gun
When there are good and frequent research output, the university will be mentioned more by the media and thus its reputation will go up, or if anything, name recognition.


The media often approach departments with a specialism in the area they are reporting on. Often this is at Russell Group universities, but not always.
Original post by King of the Ring
Isn't it practically a waste of money to go to a state US university? According to one of my american friends, he says the private colleges are generally much more regarded by the best companies, and therefore they attract the best talent.


Not really, because state unis are cheaper, a lot of people won't completely discount state unis but it is true though that for top privates like the Ivies they often give comprehensive funding to students which makes them affordable for those smart enough to get in.

Another thing is that going to a state uni is not a waste of time if you get into medical school later. Many of America's top paying careers are post-graduate professions which means where you did undergrad is meaningless for medicine, law, b-school/MBA, pharmacy etc. especially when some believe its easier to get a higher GPA needed for grad school from a state uni than from some top privates.
Original post by King of the Ring
But who is boss in the hospital? A professor cannot perform surgery.


King of the Ring this just demonstrates pure ignorance. When I read this I judged you pretty harshly, but anyways I still feel the need to teach you since you aren't a medic and probably just don't know any better.

A professor is a purely academic title, Professors of surgery perform surgery, professors of medicine are academic physicians, aka specialist physicians who have a consultant title and perform academic research. A professor of medicine is at the highest level in their careers. Generally, if you hold a chair in something you are often the highest or high level professor in your department and often have done some research that has made you noteworthy. Chairs often come with additional funding.

For example the Regius Chair in Clinical Surgery at Edinburgh is currently held by a surgeon and that surgeon performed the first liver transplant in Scotland and most certainly still practices surgery to this day.

You can't be a professor without becoming a consultant and you can't become a consultant without being fully trained in whatever specialty in medicine you pursue.
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Edinburgh better than Warwick for Maths...lol okay.
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Original post by 1 8 13 20 42
Edinburgh better than Warwick for Maths...lol okay.


Where are the individual subject rankings?
Reply 90
Original post by ubisoft
Where are the individual subject rankings?


http://www.topuniversities.com/subject-rankings/2015
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Original post by King of the Ring
But who is boss in the hospital? A professor cannot perform surgery.


You're so dumb
Original post by Okorange
King of the Ring this just demonstrates pure ignorance. When I read this I judged you pretty harshly, but anyways I still feel the need to teach you since you aren't a medic and probably just don't know any better.

A professor is a purely academic title, Professors of surgery perform surgery, professors of medicine are academic physicians, aka specialist physicians who have a consultant title and perform academic research. A professor of medicine is at the highest level in their careers. Generally, if you hold a chair in something you are often the highest or high level professor in your department and often have done some research that has made you noteworthy. Chairs often come with additional funding.

For example the Regius Chair in Clinical Surgery at Edinburgh is currently held by a surgeon and that surgeon performed the first liver transplant in Scotland and most certainly still practices surgery to this day.

You can't be a professor without becoming a consultant and you can't become a consultant without being fully trained in whatever specialty in medicine you pursue.


It is only this which I needed to know. The rest was not needed. I was thinking in terms of professors in Medicine who teach in university hospitals, and not all of them will have previously been consultants or surgeons, will they? Those that hold a first degree and PhD in Biomedical Science, for instance.

As I don't study or work in Medicine, I am entitled to ask questions without drawing some rude response like
this just demonstrates pure ignorance. Such a response is just pure arrogance.
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Original post by h3110
You're so dumb


Who the hell asked you?
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Original post by King of the Ring
It is only this which I needed to know. The rest was not needed. I was thinking in terms of professors in Medicine who teach in university hospitals, and not all of them will have previously been consultants or surgeons, will they?

As I don't study or work in Medicine, I am entitled to ask questions without drawing some rude response like
this just demonstrates pure ignorance. Such a response is just pure arrogance.


You asked a rhetorical question followed by an incorrect statement: "But who is boss in the hospital? A professor cannot perform surgery."
Original post by h3110
You asked a rhetorical question followed by an incorrect statement: "But who is boss in the hospital? A professor cannot perform surgery."


Not if you actually wake up and realise that not every professor that is involved in medical teaching and research in hospitals is a doctor in the first place. It is possible to be a professor in a medical field without ever having studied Medicine.
I just read QS's post on their changes and they actually claimed that they don't penalise specialised or non-English institutions. So this means what they believe that is the ranking is very reflective of the quality of the institutions with no exceptions.

I don't understand why they count both social sciences and engineering 25% though, and obviously how they categorise a discipline would matter quite a bit in this case. Psychology, for example, could be seen as a social sciences or a life/medical science. I suppose some institutions may even see it as a humanity subject.
Original post by Little Toy Gun
I just read QS's post on their changes and they actually claimed that they don't penalise specialised or non-English institutions. So this means what they believe that is the ranking is very reflective of the quality of the institutions with no exceptions.

I don't understand why they count both social sciences and engineering 25% though, and obviously how they categorise a discipline would matter quite a bit in this case. Psychology, for example, could be seen as a social sciences or a life/medical science. I suppose some institutions may even see it as a humanity subject.


The THES World ranking is out next month, so it will be interesting to see how universities perform in this table, which uses 10 different criteria to rank universities.
Warwick is way better than Manchester, though one must acknowledge that Warwick will continue to rise anyway
Original post by Magnus Taylor
Warwick is way better than Manchester, though one must acknowledge that Warwick will continue to rise anyway


An unfounded statement. Warwick enjoys a slightly better UK reputation, but Manchester has the stronger international reputation, and is the stronger and richer research intensive university.

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