The Liverpool FC Thread XIV

Lets be real is that because hes an interesting read or just spouts the most utter ****e

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Daily Fail reporting that if Klopp joins then he wants the transfer committee gone.

If you're a smaller/mid-level club, I actually understand the idea of having a Director of Football/Transfer Committee in place. Take Swansea for example, they've had a string of decent manager so in the last 7 years they have had 5 different managers (Martinez, Sousa, Rodgers, Laudrup, Monk). Then you have an issue of each new manager wanting a certain direction but then being sacked, leaving or being poached by a bigger club. At least with a DoF/TC, you get some consistency in the recruitment policy.

The task at Liverpool is a little more difficult and the manager is the one who takes the blame for any failure. At this level, if the manager isn't able to chose his players, he's either going to struggle to implement his vision or not going to have faith in players he doesn't want. Since 1991 when Dalglish resigned, we've pretty much sacked every manager other than Roy Evans. It's only 6 managers in that period (Souness, Evans, Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson, Dalglish and Rodgers) but we tend not to lose managers to other big clubs.


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/27/liverpool-aston-villa-premier-league-match-report

“I think I have shown in the early stages of my management – without being arrogant – that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end of the league. I know how to manage top players. If you give me the tools, I’ll do the work.” The inference, for the majority of the Liverpool side who were at Anfield during last season’s slump to sixth place, was damning, but Rodgers has a capacity to produce inadvertently revealing comments.

You would think Rodgers would be careful about firing shots at FSG since he pretty much only seems to have their backing..

Precisely. When you're at a high level club like Liverpool, you're in it long term. Therefore having the manager solely in charge of building his team is a good idea. Like you said with the transfer committee there's ambiguity about who is exactly to blame and if you don't know what's wrong, you can't fix it.

Stupid thing to say in my opinion.
When we had Suarez he did well managing a team that were performing at the top of their game. But it's like managing Barca; sometimes when a team clicks you barely have to do anything.
I'm not saying Rodgers didn't do much but you do start to wonder when as soon as Suarez leaves, the club falls apart.

You can't just say "I can only manage top teams" as your excuse for performing poorly.
Considering the resources he has already used, it's hilarious that he's still asking for the "tools" to perform well.
At this stage he should already have the components he needs and if he doesn't then that's his own fault.

Jesus, evenn when we win I can't stand him...


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I presume he's trying to blame the transfer committee for our lack of quality players? Doesn't really excuse why we finished below Spurs in two of his three seasons in charge though.

Even though we have/had a committee, he was still on it and you would imagine he would have the strongest say.
So even though he isn't 100% to blame, he still is a sizeable amount.

As a manager, if he didn't support a transfer decision, I can only assume that Liverpool wouldn't go through with it. What's the point buying players that the manager doesn't want to use or doesn't know how to utilise best?

He's just trying to deflect as much of the blame as possible in case we lose midweek and/or in the Merseyside Derby.
He's not a bad manager. He's just not a good one either.


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Brenton isn't a bad manager at all, he just isn't good enough for a club with the ambition of Liverpool. Swansea was his level.

You've only finished above Spurs once in 6 seasons so that isn't exactly Rodgers' fault

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I agree withy you though, said it before it's clear he's a good manager, but doesn't seem to have the capacity to become a great manager. To be fair, he is 42, and in 10 years he might have become a lot wiser to past mistakes. Might being the key word though, as there is no evidence to suggest he will.

Well outline his mistakes mate? Get anyone else to outline them too.

The main one which people use is 'playing players out of position' which I've already shown has been a general success for us, with the exception of Can at right back for a spell last year, in a run of games where the whole team was ****, the alternative was Glen Johnson, and it's a position where he's been used before and his World Cup winning national manager deems him suitable for us in.

Aside from that people say too tactically inflexible and on the other hand some say he tries too many systems, make your minds up, there's no winning situation for Rodgers here. If he goes out attacking and we lose then he's naive, and if he's playing a 4-5-1 in Europe and we lose, he's going against his principles.

The truth is that we struggled for a long time last season largely due to recruitment issues and Steven Gerrard, neither of which he had any control over. As for this season, give him 10+ games as I've said before. But from the United game onwards last year, his main issue seem to be motivating his players and embedding a winning mentality in them. Both of which are genuine, largely unavoidable issues and common issues in a team of young players, and we probably have the youngest team in the league. But he rightly tried to get around that by buying PL hardened players in the summer. And we'll see how that works out this year, and if it doesn't, he's worthy of the sack, but give him 10 games at least.

People who slag him off are largely morons who fail to recognise that he's been competing against 'rivals' who have higher wage bills, bigger transfer budgets and more settled squads full of experienced stars. I do think he should have been sacked in the summer (mainly because I'd like Klopp in) but the people attacking him like sr90 and a lot of our fans are retarded in most cases.

His main fault is team selection, rather than team tactics or anything else. Ignoring Sakho and Lucas was criminal last year and this season too. I don't think he's a brilliant judge of a player.

I think you've forgotten his failure to get a centre midfield that looks remotely decent. Schneiderlein last season after CL qualification surely was a good option?

I would say I rate him more than the majority on here, however it doesn't appear that he is learning from mistakes, and dispays like Norwich and Carlilse at home were as bad as I have seen it. The manager must take some of the blame for that.

I can't remember the time Liverpool last comfortably won a match, it's concerning when it seems like every win is holding on.

Player recruitment shouldn't be avoided as Lovren and Lallana were two of his apparent choices, and cost £40-£45 between them. Is he doing transfers this season, or is it the commitee. Would say transfers look better this year with the likes of Clyne and Ings proving already (Milner has been hit and miss but will prove to be a good transfer) looking good.

I'm sceptical but open to being proved wrong about him in the future, but the signs aren't great from the performances this season so far. I'm not counting United away, as I am in the camp where I think the tactics were right, but the likes of Coutinho was sorely missed in that game as there was nothing offensively unfortunately that was offered until United scored, where I think the reply was good. Either way, that's not an example of a bad performance, but not a great one either.

Would say your best striker coming back and along with Coutinho being fully fit and hopefully Firmino settling into the league will mean that Liverpool will have a potent attacking force.

So all you've said is recruitment. Where it's well documented that Rodgers did not have control of his transfers and the only reason why he still has a job is because the owners admit that the committee were culpable for transfers, and not Rodgers.

Aside from that some vague references to two poor performances and suggesting that we're not strong mentally (both of which I addressed and noted that they're not plus points but they're forgiveable given the age of our squad).

Like I say, people want to take a lot of shots at Rodgers but at the end of the day very few of those shots are valid. I'm more than happy for him to be fired but people focus on the wrong points.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3252360/Liverpool-goalkeeper-Lawrence-Vigouroux-Swindon-loan-spell-cut-short-paying-50-fine-pennies.html

Liverpool goalkeeper Lawrence Vigouroux has Swindon loan spell cut short after paying £50 fine in pennies

- Lawrence Vigouroux joined Swindon on season-long loan deal in August
- The 21-year-old has been sent back to his parent side Liverpool
- Vigouroux incurred a £50 fine for turning up to training late
- The goalkeeper irked Swindon by paying his £50 fine in pennies

Idiot..

So all you've said is recruitment. Where it's well documented that Rodgers did not have control of his transfers and the only reason why he still has a job is because the owners admit that the committee were culpable for transfers, and not Rodgers.

Aside from that some vague references to two poor performances and suggesting that we're not strong mentally (both of which I addressed and noted that they're not plus points but they're forgiveable given the age of our squad).

Like I say, people want to take a lot of shots at Rodgers but at the end of the day very few of those shots are valid. I'm more than happy for him to be fired but people focus on the wrong points.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3252360/Liverpool-goalkeeper-Lawrence-Vigouroux-Swindon-loan-spell-cut-short-paying-50-fine-pennies.html

Liverpool goalkeeper Lawrence Vigouroux has Swindon loan spell cut short after paying £50 fine in pennies

- Lawrence Vigouroux joined Swindon on season-long loan deal in August
- The 21-year-old has been sent back to his parent side Liverpool
- Vigouroux incurred a £50 fine for turning up to training late
- The goalkeeper irked Swindon by paying his £50 fine in pennies

Idiot..