Corbyn voted new labour leader.

What is wrong with you people that you can't understand that not wanting to be seen as opposing something that has majority public support is not the same as having it as a personal policy you would push through if you were leader?!

Do you have any understanding of how politics works?

None of this means that Liz Kendall as leader would have cut working tax credits.

It's public opinion that wins votes, not reality unfortunateley.

More useful to win Watford than inner city seats that are firm labour really isn't it.

I sat in a meeting full of top scientific policymakers yesterday and they all laughed at Jeremy Corbyn. It's just embarrassing.

Yes and David Cameron's science credentials are inspirational. Sorry but you are criticising someone for not taking fact-based positions on science but are happy for people not to pay attention to the facts on other issues.

People in the Home Counties will be alright whatever happens, Waitrose will still be open if Corbyn is elected and Bake Off will still be on telly.


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Yes and David Cameron's science credentials are inspirational. Sorry but you are criticising someone for not taking fact-based positions on science but are happy for people not to pay attention to the facts on other issues.

People in the Home Counties will be alright whatever happens, Waitrose will still be open if Corbyn is elected and Bake Off will still be on telly.


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I think Jezza would come under pressure to impose a Waitrose tax.

It was more the fact than any hope of any evidence based policy coming through in the next ten years was pretty much non existent and it was funny the meeting was even happening because the election of Jeremy Corbyn had rendered it pretty !much useless.

I just don't think that's what Harriet Harman was doing, she was aligning with a policy that even some Tories think is going too far and wasn't supported by a figure as credible as Frank Field. I think the political failure was Harman's, backed up by supine neo-Blairite MPs. The thing about it being good politics because it was supported by the public also doesn't wash - even by your own terms, if you didn't want to hand victory to Corbyn on a plate, it was a bad idea, as it looked awful to most Labour supporters.

Anyway, regardless of all that, the policy itself will increasingly attract wrath onto the Tories and mobilise the Left.

Direct some of these concerns to Homeopathy Hunt then. All the while let's keep allowing people to believe the lies on benefits and immigration. Like I say Watford won't win itself.


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But none of this means that Liz would cut working tax credits as leader.


No it won't. Did my first canvassing this week. No one cares. There's three things people want, on the whole 1. Less immigration 2. Less benefits 3. Housing. That pretty much entirely sums up the public's political opinions,or at least the section of the public that need winning over, ie not traditional labour voters.

Do you see anyone being mobalised beyond people already in the left of the political spectrum? Thought not.

I don't know about the second part of your response, maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't know to what extent Liz Truss would have tracked the Tories but she was agreeing with tax credit cuts before the leadership result. The main point though is that both she and Harriet Harman (and Burnham) made a very bad political move, appearing to side with the Conservatives at that crucial point when they were up against a left wing resurgence. They lost sight of the main objective and acted as if they were still in office. It often doesn't matter what Oppositions do, it's the vibe they give off.

You mean Liz Kendall, Truss is a Tory

Liz didn't make a single bad political move. She positioned herself to the right of the party, and stuck with her guns throughout. My dad used to hate her but thinks she did a really good job in the face of huge adversity and abandonment by the blairites.

Again, I repeat, not opposing tax credit cuts while in opposition is not the same thing as bringing that in as leader. Liz always maintained the most important thing was getting in, and clearly the best way to do that is to try and get the majority of the public onside. Labour is seen as soft on welfare - the party for people on benefits - by huge swathes of the country that labour will need to win if they ever want to gain power again. Liz stuck to what she said all along - these are the people you have to try and appeal to by not being seen as soft on benefits. Then when you're in power you can bring in measures to really help the less well off.

You going to buy up Murdoch's empire and change people's minds then?

Or you know, actually go canvassing in Tory labour marginals?

Thought not.

Also the conservative party won't engage, there's nothing scientists can do about that really. It's not like they haven't been trying for the past 6 years

It's a question of timing, tactics and not walking open mouthed into obvious Tory traps as well. If I was a Labour Blairite, I think I would still view Harman's last act as pretty bloody stupid.

There are no Tory/Labour marginals in Scotland. Lots of SNP seats though, including mine, for whom we have New Labour and Better Together to thank.




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New labour wasn't real labour. All the blairites need to be purged- they're practically tories by another name at this stage.

'Red' Ed another misconception successfully achieved by the nation's media.

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New labour wasn't real labour. All the blairites need to be purged- they're practically tories by another name at this stage.

You lot really ought to stop perpetuating this guff about Ed wasn't left wing and how the public are too stupid to understand his policies.

Please explain to me how things like rent control, mansion taxes and capping of energy prices isn't "red". Those things are very left wing! Far too left wing for most people and they didn't need to media to tell then that.

Couple this with all his rhetoric about the undeserved rich. I know you think the people of this country are so stupid that they need the Murdoch papers to think for themselves but nobody can objectively look at things like rent control and energy price caps can think they're anything but left wing. That's not a media invention! That you think it is quite frankly shows how deluded and out of touch a lot of you lot are. It's why Labour got murdered in the election and why they'll get muredered next time too.

Nobody wants to hear this class warfare BS.

You even have people canvassing telling you this but you don't want to hear it. Instead you're just looking down your nose at them, sneering at them. Thinking they're too stupid to use their brains and this must be why they don't see it your way. That's Labour 2015 and they got punished for it.

There is a thing called travel? Just a thought.

I campaigned in marginals all over the country in the run up to the election, did very little in my own seat.