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I fuss is being made about Corbyn not kneeling at the Privy Council thing. Well there is a tradition for republicans to not kneel at these things. It is built into our great country :yes:

Apparently you just tell someone and you can feign an injured leg. Some even borrow a walking stick. The Queen is not fussed. Corbyn is old with old joints after all :teehee:

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unfortunately i cannot read your message, but i support the idea in the thread title.
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unfortunately i cannot read your message, but i support the idea in the thread title.
Is this a joke that is too complex for me or can you actually not read it
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As a monarchist, the whole media frenzy is absurd. It's a complete non-issue, and the questioning of Corbyn's patriotism is disgusting.
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Socialists are anti-monarchy for a reason...

Socialism = Equality.

Monarchy = Inequality.
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Socialists are anti-monarchy for a reason...

Socialism = Equality.

Monarchy = Inequality.
It's also undemocratic and a massive waste of money.
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It's also undemocratic and a massive waste of money.
Incorrect on both counts
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Socialists are anti-monarchy for a reason...

Socialism = Equality.

Monarchy = Inequality.
Overly simplistic, as there's nothing in republicanism in practice that implies equality - compare the US with the Scandinavian monarchies. I know which one I'd rather live in.
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I would love to kneel, but my leg's a little cramped up from slaying so much pussy :cool:




That simple Jezza
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(Original post by gladders)
Incorrect on both counts
Not really.
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Overly simplistic, as there's nothing in republicanism in practice that implies equality - compare the US with the Scandinavian monarchies. I know which one I'd rather live in.
But that comes down to constitution. The French moto for example has it right up there with "Liberté, égalité, fraternité"

The point is that we have a monarch who are there simply by her birth rights. I appreciate they do wonders for tourism in this country, but as part of the democratic running of a modern country they are completely and utterly pointless - as are most of the hereditary peers.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
But that comes down to constitution. The French moto for example has it right up there with "Liberté, égalité, fraternité"

The point is that we have a monarch who are there simply by her birth rights. I appreciate they do wonders for tourism in this country, but as part of the democratic running of a modern country they are completely and utterly pointless - as are most of the hereditary peers.
Not at all. She's there by birth which is authorised by the will of the people through their elected Parliament. The monarchy endures through freely acquired loyalty, and that takes skill - merit - to work on. Nobody in this country is more keenly aware of how much the monarchy owes to popular consent than the Queen.
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Not really.
I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning.
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I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning.
Mean that to become head of state you have to be born into a particular family.

The tax reductions and security provided for the Royal Family costs millions. The Soveriegn Grant is a moderate expenditure as well.
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Mean that to become head of state you have to be born into a particular family.
Not necessarily undemocratic, as it's something there by the free will of the people as expressed in Parliament. The moment the monarchy's support falls below 50% for a sustained period of time, then you can start questioning its democratic nature.

The tax reductions
Such as?

and security provided for the Royal Family costs millions.
First: cite for millions?

Second: how are you qualified to determine what constitutes adequate cost of security for the Head of State?

Third, do you assume a president would have no need for security?

The Soveriegn Grant is a moderate expenditure as well.
That's a view, I suppose, but you haven't explained how it's expensive, compared to say, the German Presidency's expense.
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Not necessarily undemocratic, as it's something there by the free will of the people as expressed in Parliament. The moment the monarchy's support falls below 50% for a sustained period of time, then you can start questioning its democratic nature.
If it's so poular why not have a referendum on it?

Such as?
i mean exemptions, Duchy of Cornwall and Lancaster


First: cite for millions?
https://republic.org.uk/sites/defaul...everypenny.pdf

Second: how are you qualified to determine what constitutes adequate cost of security for the Head of State?
I'm not

Third, do you assume a president would have no need for security?
I support making the Prime Minister Head of State.

That's a view, I suppose, but you haven't explained how it's expensive, compared to say, the German Presidency's expense.
Doesn't matter.
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The Queen and the royal family has done more for your Country than any politician could ever do.

Do people fly half way around the world to visit any other monarchies residences and buy gifts etc.

Don't forget that money is going into your economy if a palace need's work on somebody is hired so somebody is getting paid from working on the palaces.

Don't be so naive!


Your monarchy is respected and the fact that Corbyn want's to remove it is frightening.
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If it's so poular why not have a referendum on it?
Why not have a referendum on driving on the left side of the road?

Why doesn't the USA have a referendum on repealing the Declaration of Independence and rejoining the British Empire?

Why doesn't France have a referendum on restoring their monarchy?

i mean exemptions, Duchy of Cornwall and Lancaster
The Duchy of Cornwall estate is not a corporation and therefore not subject to Corporation tax. However, The Prince does pays income tax on the Duchy’s surplus. If the Duchy also paid corporation tax, the Prince would effectively be taxed twice on the same income. Only companies pay corporation tax; many other large organisations which are not companies pay income tax.

Yeah...that's like citing the Daily Mail for anything about immigrants.

I'm not
Then I'd leave the assessment of what constitutes sufficient resources to protect the Head of State to the professionals.

I support making the Prime Minister Head of State.
Which would run up against separation of powers issues, among other things.

Doesn't matter.
So your claim is that it's expensive because, devoid of comparative examples you accept, you consider it to be expensive?

Circular reasoning. You need a comparative example to get context.
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Overly simplistic, as there's nothing in republicanism in practice that implies equality - compare the US with the Scandinavian monarchies. I know which one I'd rather live in.
Democracy means equality when it comes to vote power and electability.
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