Tories cutting tax credits

Awww Billydisco is crying because he has to give some of his money away like everyone else. Maybe if he worked a little harder he wouldn't have to worry so much about it.

After all I find people who do have money don't tend to bitch and cry about tax as much. Delusional working class/lower middle class who think they're higher than they are though?

This gave me a good laugh though. http://youtu.be/TRAKztLhTUA

They will if their employees are worth it...... thats how salaries work. You are paid what you are worth.

If an employee isn't paid much, they obviously don't have valuable skills.....

Would you pay £100,000 for a Ford Fiesta? No? Then why should employers pay more for somebody with basic skills?

Ah yes yes, it's all so darned complex.

Except when it comes to those majority of unemployed unfortunate to be so due to luck of the draw. The days of walking into a job is over.

Except when it comes to those working all hours on crappy low paid jobs which keep the country going. But hey we can get new workers from anywhere in the world so why bother paying a wage for a hard, often physical, job eh?

It's all so complex when it comes to the rich. When it comes to the rest of us just flip a coin, cut the state wherever we please, and 'hope for the best'.

The state isn't 'yours', it belongs to everyone. Yes, even the rich.
Here are the actual facts:
-The rich minority pay the vast majority of government receipts.
-The majority of taxpayers do not pay enough in taxes to cover the costs of government spending for their family and are subsidised by the rich and government borrowing.
-Government spending cuts will disproportionately affect the poor because the poor disproportionately rely on government spending. In that respect it's actually proportionate. You can't make many cuts that will affect the rich, while taxation is already highly progressive.


So yes, it is far more complex than what you describe, which appears to be that you're rather self-entitled, and you have a distorted view of the country.

I'm a snob for saying people with common skills should get paid less?

If people got paid more, they could pay higher taxes.

How exactly? They're are only so many jobs higher up, and we need people to do lower paid jobs. Your complete snobbery is ludicrous and without government help striking would be the only way for them to increase their wages.

You seem to think people are paid what they are worth but that is a nonsense argument- people are paid as little as the bosses can pay them.
You are right in that people should work, but those who do work should be rewarded and paid a wage they can live off. If you want to get rid of tax credits - that's one thing but then you have to massively increase the minimum wage.

If work doesn't pay there is no incentive to work.

Perhaps it's because of the existence of tax credits which allows businesses to continually exploit their employees by paying them wages which are less than the living wage?

Shouldn't the government not be subsidising these businesses?

Tax credits were a way of allowing people on low incomes a chance to afford to live and 'better themselves'. They were a hand up. Say what you like about new labour but under them the gratest level of social mobility was achieved from working class to middle class - in no small part to increasing job security and pay.

Tax credits also encourage people to work the minimum to get the maximum they can out of the system. They refuse to do overtime because they'll lose too much.

That's just categorically false.

BillyDisco is such a thick cun.t.

Increase their skills? Oh yes, so let's have the entire lower income workforce increase their skills and go for higher income jobs.
That makes a whole lot of sense because firstly, low income jobs obviously are not needed, we don't need our cleaners, shop workers, carers etc. We simply don't need them, our country can function perfectly fine without it's foundations.
And secondly, the demand for higher income jobs is so incredibly high, that we need to actively encourage an entire section of the work force to go for these jobs in addition to the higher skilled workforce.

BillyDisco has fantastic logic.

No it's not. There are people out there who do that.

Tax credits also encourage people to work the minimum to get the maximum they can out of the system. They refuse to do overtime because they'll lose too much.