Bishop: Gay marriage breaks democracy,jails bishops,bans religion/political freedom

Would you agree the basis for SSM being legalised is 'people should be free to marry whoever they please, irrespective of sexuality'?

Do you agree with the principle we should apply morality consistently, i.e., if a morality applies in one context, it's only fair to apply it in all contexts?

Like all groups, LGBTs have a tendency towards own-group bias. Earlier this year LGBTs banned other LGBTs from marching in pride rallies under the UKIP banner. Why? Apparently UKIP refused to pay homage to identity politics, or to place groups before individuals and mention LGBTs in their manifesto.

No, I don't agree with it for that reason. I agree with SSM, or just M, because marriage grants reduced taxes and better hospital visitation rights to its constituents to each other. (These two things would also make it institutionalised discrimination.) Marriage is also an intrinsic part of our society, and generally signifies a milestone in long-term relationships. It is cruel (I believe) to deny such also for those reasons. If people relate it to religion, I say marriage pre-dates religion, because it does.

Yes, I do believe we should try to apply morals consistently, by trying to make it on more objective bases. It is hard to find a measure or modicum of objectivity, but I believe I have found it. I think as extent of objectivity is correlated with its applicability to everyone, we should try use that as our basis (then we need to determine a more objective way of "what's pain?".) Though whether objectivity should be listened to is another subjective matter. :tongue:

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Eigo_Jin

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Original post by TheCitizenAct

I believe it's what they call reductio ad absurdum, or, in other words, reducing your opponents argument to ridiculous or absurd proportions, and then criticising, mocking or satirising the outcome.

Ahh, ok. It's just that I thought the statement was just too "ridiculous" to be genuine, although there are people who believe natural disasters are caused by immortality.

Concerning the subject of the thread, how attainable is freedom of speech without the freedom to express religious and political thoughts that are not necessarily the "most popular" opinion of the community without prosecution?

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TheCitizenAct

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Original post by XcitingStuart

No, I don't agree with it for that reason. I agree with SSM, or just M, because marriage grants reduced taxes and better hospital visitation rights to its constituents to each other. (These two things would also make it institutionalised discrimination.) Marriage is also an intrinsic part of our society, and generally signifies a milestone in long-term relationships. It is cruel (I believe) to deny such also for those reasons. If people relate it to religion, I say marriage pre-dates religion, because it does.

Either way, same thing. And implicitly you seem to agree with it on the basis 'people should be free to marry whoever they choose', otherwise you would have to oppose this principle (do you oppose this principle?). This principle also sets the foundation stone for everything you've articulated above.

So, on that basis, and based on your appreciation for extending morality consistently, you have to support the legalisation of incest.

I support SSM, therefore I have to support incestuous marriage. To many the former is a natural right but the latter is incredibly icky. They'll argue 'reproductive issues' (like I haven't heard it all before :wink:

), however you could also argue that reproductive issues, or an increased risk in relation to reproduction, exist between heterosexual couples over the age of 40.

To ban incestuous marriage on the principle of reproduction, and if you believe in applying morality consistently (which is basically equality and justice), would mean you'd have to ban marriage between people over the age of 40.

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El Salvador

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Original post by Eigo-Jin

Ahh, ok. It's just that I thought the statement was just too "ridiculous" to be genuine, although there are people who believe natural disasters are caused by immortality.

Concerning the subject of the thread, how attainable is freedom of speech without the freedom to express religious and political thoughts that are not necessarily the "most popular" opinion of the community without prosecution?

It's well documented that global warming is caused by the legalisation of same-sex marriage.

Is it freedom of speech to...stop someone from marrying?

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El Salvador

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Original post by TheCitizenAct

Either way, same thing. And implicitly you seem to agree with it on the basis 'people should be free to marry whoever they choose', otherwise you would have to oppose this principle (do you oppose this principle?). This principle also sets the foundation stone for everything you've articulated above.

So, on that basis, and based on your appreciation for extending morality consistently, you have to support the legalisation of incest.

I support SSM, therefore I have to support incestuous marriage. To many the former is a natural right but the latter is incredibly icky. They'll argue 'reproductive issues' (like I haven't heard it all before :wink:

), however you could also argue that reproductive issues, or an increased risk in relation to reproduction, exist between heterosexual couples over the age of 40.

To ban incestuous marriage on the principle of reproduction, and if you believe in applying morality consistently (which is basically equality and justice), would mean you'd have to ban marriage between people over the age of 40.

Ha. But what does The Bible say about incest? That's the million-Euro question.

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El Salvador

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Original post by Eigo-Jin

Is that your actual, serious, genuine opinion? Maybe it's all the trolls on TSR, but I'm having a hard time telling if you are being sarcastic.

Are you a catholic or christian?

Catholics are christians mate.

His Holiness The Pope Francis I of The Holy See, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God, The Holy Father, recognises me as a Holy Roman Catholic.

His Grace The Most Reverend and Right Honourable Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby MA (Cantab) OEC recognises me as Anglican.

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iamthetruth

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I disagree with homosexuality to be honest

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El Salvador

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Original post by iamthetruth

I disagree with homosexuality to be honest

theres no democracy under gay gay

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El Salvador

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O$car

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Original post by Little Toy Gun

The Archbishop is always right. I'm just pointing out the obvious no-one has mentioned yet: With same-sex marriage, there will come more frequent flooding just like what had happened to the UK. God will also bomb the marathons and create tornados in states where gay marriage is not yet legalised.

Christians should brace themselves for the gay marital storm.

God is angry.

Cant believe people like you really exist

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Skeptique

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OK after reading through the material supplied and a cursory look of the responses I conclude that whats needed is apartheid. Both gays and normal ppl innately believe in the superiority of their lifestyle (I know I do anyway) and don't tell me that chauvinism does not exist amongst lesbians; male homos do often despise real women and regard them as inferior or at least an incumbency to them. [David Walliams revenge against the vagina/Matt Lucus female impersonation] per example. Normal ppl feel that deviants such as these have been given enough rights already and they have, they do not deserve equal rights quite simply because we have no evidence yet that that their deviancy is the equal of normal ppls love. Recently these abnormals have demanded the right to enter into primary schools and promote battyman culture/life to the defenseless minds of children who will accept anything new if presented to them in joviality, (drag queens on children television shows [ambiguous puppets Erni & Bernie, Sesame Street]). This is particularly disturbing as vanishingly few of these perverts actually have/raise children themselves so why do they desire such a drastic capitulation from normal society? if not to inculcate young minds with a dangerous, unproven, unwelcome and largely unwanted deviant doctrine?? If this line is crossed we may lose normalcy forever.

Its time to consider giving gays their own town, that way we know who they are and where they are. They can do whatever they like there without interference from normal society and we can get on with the business of raising our children, safely according to our well proven system of heterosexual-gender binary. All pro homo legislation will be reversed in the land as gays become irrelevant; gays however can meet their end in their own domain and never know persecution from normal ppl.

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Maker

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I thought everyone in Australia was in jail, when did they let them out?

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Eigo_Jin

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Original post by Little Toy Gun

It's well documented that global warming is caused by the legalisation of same-sex marriage.

Is it freedom of speech to...stop someone from marrying?

Opinions is not always manifested.

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Eigo_Jin

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Original post by Little Toy Gun

Catholics are christians mate.

His Holiness The Pope Francis I of The Holy See, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God, The Holy Father, recognises me as a Holy Roman Catholic.

His Grace The Most Reverend and Right Honourable Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby MA (Cantab) OEC recognises me as Anglican.