German Hunter pays £39,000 to kill largest elephant in living memory

And yet people like him have conserved a million and more animals than you ever will...ironic isn't it?

By eating meat you're probably doing more harm to elephants, and African wildlife on the whole, than he ever will. Africa is the continent predicted to see the highest increase in temperature under climate change. Meat, especially sheep and cows, contribute a huge amount of emissions.

Leftism is not an ideology of rationality - it is an ideology of emotions. Ultimately, every leftist, when refuted by scientific rationalism, will fall back on "But, I believe in equality."

The rich tend to be split, as others are, between the more liberal and the more reactionary. I tend to notice liberal rich people more maybe (or take more interest in what they have to say) and I agree that there are loads of 'don't give a damn' rich out there. Also liberal rich people can be quite tied to over consumption and dirty consumption and justify it to themselves. I think that's kind of the case with most of us who live in developed countries as well, in relation to the poor, the developing world and the environment.

I was just trying not to be too, too depressed about it. People tend to flake out on the environment issue because they feel despair. It's important to notice where there is progress, good attention on the issue, or a desire to change.

Don't perpetrate this myth!!!

They don't even come close folks. If you're going to be veggie/vegan stick to vegetables. Fake veggie meat is in the main gross. Except Linda,McCartney sausages <3

Tofus good if cooked right. Totally gross if done wrong.

Irony alert.

Don't perpetrate this myth!!!

They don't even come close folks. If you're going to be veggie/vegan stick to vegetables. Fake veggie meat is in the main gross. Except Linda,McCartney sausages <3

Tofus good if cooked right. Totally gross if done wrong.

You say that but 99% of right wing MPs don't support any sort of environmental cause beyond nimbyism, which doesn't count and if anything is counter environmental.

People flake out on the environment because it goes against the prevailing economic theory let's be honest here.

You say that but 99% of right wing MPs don't support any sort of environmental cause beyond nimbyism, which doesn't count and if anything is counter environmental.

People flake out on the environment because it goes against the prevailing economic theory let's be honest here.

what do you reckon about this

http://impossiblefoods.com/

Also, when raw, these burgers bleed just like real meat

I'm still a carnivore unfortunately, the only way I seem to be able to cut own on my meat intake is to replace it with quorn in meals where sauce provides the taste, like curry. I'm having to con myself.



Which all the self styled moderate sensible labourites support! That's part and parcel of being a centrist, they support prevailing orthodoxies. God give me strength...

The guy likes killing for fun and I would bet my life that he also eats meat (probably a lot more than I do). I'm not sure why you're defending him?

I'd have to taste it before I passed judgement! Looks good though.

This is so sad. It isn't even that he poached the elephant to sell the ivory to feed his family. He did it for pure sickening 'fun'. Dispicable

Yeah hunters are a bunch of ******s but there is no other way to protect that land, and the animals in it, unless people like you want to pay for it instead.

If you don't like hunting of animals, fine. Say that. Making out that one particular case is somehow special or extraordinary because a certain elephant is of a certain size does your case no favours.

There's plenty of evidence out there that regulated big game hunting helps conservation and stabilises populations. That's the debate worth having.