Should people be allowed to wear full face veils in hospitals?

Do you realize I'm agreeing with you? I was presenting a scenario where masks are used and how crazy it would be to ask them to remove the masks, so put the veil in that same scenario, and you'd look foolish.

You didn't, actually. Most midwives wouldn't wear a mask for a normal delivery. Obstetricians would for a C-section and possibly for forceps, but not always, and would have met the patient before while not wearing one, so your example is ridiculous.

Here's a suggestion, why don't niqabis only work on female patients so they can show their face if the patient asks for it?

Okay, it's fine to wear surgical masks at all those moments then. But then it should also be fine to wear veils at those moments too (i.e. leave it to the doctor's discretion).

I have seen no example provided in this thread, of any situation in which a veil creates some kind of detrimental effect in a hospital where a surgical mask does not. And so there is no reason at any time, for one to be banned but for the other not to be.

What if you were born into a muslim family in a muslim country, where your doctors, surgeons and nurses wore religious attire like headscards and veils?

Apparently my example was "ridiculous," because "masks aren't used during birth deliveries" but whatever. Basically I'm saying it's ridiculous to ask someone to remove a mask so it's ridiculous to ask someone to remove a veil. The example was meant to be absurd in any event.

But masks are only worn in some situations. A veil would be worn always, including those situations where surgeons do not wear masks, when they are communicating with their patients.

Because the NHS is already stretched and can ill afford to have to pander to people who won't work with half the patients.

To deny that Muslims are doing more damage than any other minority in the UK right now is simply someone in denial.

If you cannot see the damage they are causing then I suggest you open your eyes.

In fact, if you're fortunate enough, mingle with some Muslims, the fundamental types, and you'll see what they really think of non-believers/white people and how they actual insult non-believers whenever they have the chance - you'll probably find what you see quite shocking. (I say this as someone who is Asian but not a follower of religion).

Then again, lots of people don't even consider what they might think in their enclosed communities but see them as people who just 'keep themselves to themselves'. No, it's not like that, they really think you're stuff at the bottom of their shoe (the fundamental types that is, which is the majority of Muslims).

I didn't what?

Well birth delivery, whatever the freaking situation is. Some kind of gory operation where masks are used.

But judging by this you're not agreeing on the veil

In any event I was agreeing with him because we both seem to not disagree with veils.

I don't think doctors should wear a face veil. I'm intrigued that you say you've met many who do, as I've never met one in my career in the NHS.

You didn't present a scenario in which masks would be used. You just created some hysterical nonsense.

I don't think doctors should wear a face veil.

Do you realize I'm agreeing with you? I was presenting a scenario where masks are used and how crazy it would be to ask them to remove the masks, so put the veil in that same scenario, and you'd look foolish.

But I think we did establish that both would cause problems if worn at the wrong time, and that surgeons don't wear masks at the wrong time.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post.

I thought you were saying that it's ridiculous to have such strongly enforceable rules for surgical masks, but for some reason not applying the same reasoning to veils.

I don't really see why you need strict enforceable rules when it comes to veils, instead of leaving that to the doctor's discretion as well.