Meritocracy vs Positive Discrimination

i know equality of oppourtunity is theoretically better than equality of outcome, but with poorer education, more likelihood of imprisonment, less amenities, less networking opportunities and less structured households how do we expect BME to be represented in the work force if we don't positively discriminate at all

i know equality of oppourtunity is theoretically better than equality of outcome, but with poorer education, more likelihood of imprisonment, less amenities, less networking opportunities and less structured households how do we expect BME to be represented in the work force if we don't positively discriminate at all

You say "less this, less that" for BME people, but none of those issues are specific to BME people. People aren't just a part of a race, they are individuals.

Let's say, for example, that a greater proportion of black people have less than a certain level of qualification than white people, resulting in a lower proportional representation of black people in more highly qualified roles. Two people, a white person and a black person, go for the same role. Both fit the job requirements but the white candidate, in this particular instance, on merit, would be a better fit. How on Earth is it justified that the job goes black person based on some arbitrary notion of representing a race better? These people aren't part of a race but two people applying for a job, and discriminating based on the fact the one candidate is black and one is white is racism by definition, because an individual has been discriminated against based on their race.

"Correcting" the representation of races in jobs fields with racial discrimination is not only bad on moral grounds, but it can also bad for the candidate that it helped. In practice, it can actually result in under-qualified (unsuitable) people in roles simply to meet a quote, and it also makes people wonder if the individual got the position based on merit or via positive discrimination, which can undermine BME people that achieved their positions on merit alone.

Positive discrimination is discrimination end of story


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How do you expect crime to go down, social mobility to increase etc etc if you dont put the most disadvantaged in positions to sort out their life?

Poorer education than who?
Greater likelihood of imprisonment...which is irrelevant if you stay within the confines of the law
less amenities, not quite sure what the relevance is here, the only vaguely relevant definition is ultimately down to you, if you want to be a dick you can't really blame society, at least not in the vast majority of cases
less structured households, what do you even mean by this?

And why is it that people insist on adding the B to BME/BEM? Are negroids somehow more important than all other "minorities"?

Why do you expect everything to be given to you on a silver platter simply because you come from a group that, on average, doesn't do so well; are you simply incapable of working your way there and so want everybody else to put you there?

the reason BME do less well than their white counterparts is due to Britain's poor history with them. even now britain does well due to the position it has put other countries in/ positive discrimination helps alleviate some of the problems that are bound to occur when immigrants move to a foreign country, are faced with institutional racism and a higher-than-need be punitive justice system. it cannot be ignored; non-whites are systematically treated worse and it's not fair

do you want true integration or do you want another london riots/brixton riots?

if you do not think race is an important factor in how are society is formed and structured then you clearly benefit from institutional racism

the reason BME do less well than their white counterparts is due to Britain's poor history with them. even now britain does well due to the position it has put other countries in/ positive discrimination helps alleviate some of the problems that are bound to occur when immigrants move to a foreign country, are faced with institutional racism and a higher-than-need be punitive justice system. it cannot be ignored; non-whites are systematically treated worse and it's not fair

do you want true integration or do you want another london riots/brixton riots?

Shut up, you're an idiot. Not to mention a racist.

How can you say that a white candidate with superior work experience/qualifications shouldn't be chosen over an inferior black candidate? You're a dirty racist.

Shut up, you're an idiot. Not to mention a racist.

How can you say that a white candidate with superior work experience/qualifications shouldn't be chosen over an inferior black candidate? You're a dirty racist.

Right, so you believe there to be institutional racism, then surely the solution ot the problem is to deal with illegal discrimination, rather than introducing state mandated discrimination; then again, that doesn't give you a leg up, does it, so that must be the wrong solution. After all, state mandated discrimination compensates for your inadequacies.

cant be racist since people of my colour do not have the institutional power necessary to impose stereotypes on other people of colour. try again

I just want society to be fixed mate. that means giving BMEs those opportunities and doorways into those jobs and places which allow them to help their communities and bring up BMEs.

You cant deal with institutional discrimination simply by getting rid of illegal discrimination. BMEs are already excluded through things like indirect discrimination. The system has been built on racist notions , racist principles and patriarchy. There are no easy solutions, (and i challenge to you to put another proposition other than affirmative action) but at the end of the day the disenfranchisement of BMEs is unfair and we cant keep calling them scum when riots occur but give them no assistance to get to those top positions which could help BME societies and england in general

Sorry "m8" but we don't using Gender studies definitions of racism.