Original post by Rat_BagIt's great that you accept UKIP are a joke party.
Also your reasoning that UKIP can be nonchalant about the lack of talent within their senior ranks because they are a joke party (oops I mean because they are not going to form a party) implies that talent are beating at the door of UKIP and they are turning them away so as to have "more ordinary people". Sad fact is that there is such scant talent within UKIP.
And in the Winter and Spring of this year, when UKIP were hoping to catch a lot more seats than er, 1, and maybe be a possible coalition partner, did they rush in all this secret talent that nobody has ever seen so that they could be a credible party of government? Er no, it was the same trash that they have now.
Ah, so you saying they are a joke single issue party. Great.
They all have policies which they openly discuss. What planet are you on?
Except Labour aren't loosing seats in the North, and only won them in the South when they were a Tory-lite party of Tony Blair.
They came second in May (in spite of that large pesky Asian population), so what will the surprise be?
When did I say debate wasn't a marker of intelligence. I said oratory skills are not a marker of intelligence. You know what else is a good marker of intelligence? Being able to read and follow what someone is writing.
Farage just peddled out the same tired and rehearsed arguments ad nauseum. There was nothing spontaneous, nothing reactive, very little thinking.
Debate can be a good marker of intelligence, but not a high profile political debate on television, where each candidate is briefed and goes through days of rehearsal so they can perform.
And I haven't seen Corbyn debate, so I have no idea what his skills are like in that area. Certainly his more grown up approach to PMQs is refreshing and might actually lead to PMQs becoming a useful forum for debate, as opposed to the circus of hooting and braying that it had become of late.
Am sure he was intelligent for his time, and due to the new and innovative insights he brought, not the way he articulated them.
And as already indicated to you, the people who are ardent euroskeptics are greater in number than those who are ardent europhiles; many people are in the middle, and it's easier to attack the EU with dogwhistle politics, than to defend it with nuance that reflects its complexity (am sure all of this is lost on you). Assessing the contents of the debate or the performance of each side through public polling is just hilarious. But then, I expect such simplistic thinking from a UKIP supporter.
How flattering that you trawl through my thousands of posts across two years. Must have really rattled you. Great to know you allegiance to your values are so easily shaken. I also guess having had all your arguments destroyed on this thread that you desperately want to take the thread totally off-topic (that's fine, it's your thread, and it's loads of fun ripping into the nonsense that form your arguments)
If you read the contents of this thread, you would see how I clarified my position on elitism.
Elitism is fine when it is used to ensure elite candidates get into elite jobs. My objection to your original post (which as we have seen through this thread, has been totally shredded to pieces to the point you cannot defend any of it), was that it assumed graduates of Oxbridge are by their right more suitable for government than graduates from other universities, which is plain nonsense, that I think even you yourself would concede.
As for medical education, you again show how you fail to analyse even quite basic situations, instead going for the simplistic thinking.
Medical education is a vocation that guarantees you a position as a practising doctor, which from day one meaning having people's lives in your hands. Given the challenging nature of clinical medicine, everyone would be agreed that obtaining such an education should be rigorously gatekept, so as to ensure only the best and most capable candidates have access to it, and thus to caring for the nation's sick. The quality of such education is also highly regulated.
In the UK, access to it is done pretty well, with the process of selection being rigorous as well as meritocratic. The Eastern European medical schools, which offer a medical degree taught through the medium of English, offer no such selection process, instead taking UK candidates that can pay the tuition fees, and expanding places to fit demand (they market them to people in the UK that failed to get their A-Levels). Candidates thus get into medical education with Cs, Ds, or even Es at A Level, and importantly, then have the right to gain employment in the UK when finished. This is before we look at the fact that these institutions do not prepare their UK graduates for clinical medicine, since as students they were unable to communicate with patients (an absolute necessity of training to be a doctor).
A degree from Oxbridge doesn't guarantee you anything, and the path into government is diverse (there are no prerequisite qualifications or education). A medical degree guarantees you a job as a doctor, and the path into medicine is only via a medical degree. That is why elitism is appropriate in certain situations.
Anyway, as has been painfully obvious to everyone, you fail to grasp simple, let alone complex concepts, and instead prefer positions that rely on simplistic thinking at best, highly prejudiced thinking at worst.
Right so let's focus on the bits of my post that you didn't respond to and ran away from.
Were you ignorant, or were you lying, when you said that Corbyn's shadow cabinet was "almost exclusively red brick, not Oxbridge"?
Would you consider Hitler one of the most intelligent men in Germany given his oratory skills and ability rouse support for himself in debate?