religious people- If you found out that your religion wasn't...

I'm a christian and if I died and it turned out there wasn't a God, either:
b) I'd still feel I'd spent a happy and fulfilled life doing my best to love and care for others and have fun.

I used to study Physics at AS level. It was a subject I was not really good in, but I did it any way because I felt it was an important subject which would help me get into the university course I wanted (chemical engineering).

I didn't do well in Physics, in the end. However, I can be comforted in the fact that I did learn some new things which I found interesting, and that at least I tried doing well. It's far better than not having studied the subject or not putting any effort in doing well at all.

I don't believe it would, so I can't really answer your question sorry.

I would suggest that the sceptics approach fits this scenario the best. Expanding your horizons through knowledge, reason and exploration, rather than accepting assertions of absolute certainty without evidence.

That's for God to decide.

Firstly please do not use sources such as WikiIslam that contains inaccurate information and is an online resource that anyone can edit. In fact as soon as I opened the link a message came up: This page is currently under review and may not fully comply with our content guidelines
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So please find a different source. Surely if what you say is factually correct, you'll find more reliable websites to link me up?

Regarding Keith Moore being paid by Saudi Universities, I'm not aware of this and this is the first time I've heard it and I therefore can't comment, do you have some sort of reliable link, possibly a video or something that shows this?

Something I can comment on is the way the foetus is described in the Quran. You're right, it's described as the word "Alaqah" in Arabic, this translates for 3 different things, 2 of which you've stated.
1) Blood Clot
2) Suspended (to be hanging from something)
3) Leech

However you're wrong, they're not utterly incorrect, here is why:

1) Blood clot- In the 3rd week of embryonic development a tubular heart joins with the blood vessels to form a primary cardiovascular system. And by the end of the 3rd week, the blood is circulating and the heart begins to beat on day 21.

2) Suspended- this refers to the umbilical cord, but we can't use this as an example because Suspended refers to step 2, before the baby has even formed. But we now know today that the umbilical cord is formed from the connecting stalk, which is formed as soon as the embryo is formed. This connecting stalk has even been described by John Allen and Beverly Kramer, as an object to "suspend" the developing embryo in the extra embryonic coelom.

3) Leech- If you look at the structure of an embryo in 25 days, and compare it to a leech, they look nearly identical. You can then look at an X-Ray of an embryo and compare it to that of a leech, and you will find that the internal structure of that is extremely similar. Also, the head of the embryo at 22 days looks identical to the back suckers of a leech.

The structure of an embryo is impossible to have been known in the 7th century desert. Or even predicted by the human mind. Only with today's technology can we compare the structure of an embryo to a leech.

I'm not trying to create a heated debate here, but don't you think it's at least worth considering? This is also just one of the many other scientific features of the Quran.

How many Christians in the UK or America show religious intolerance? Few. Most don't care. In the modern civilised world most Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, etc don't hold those of other faiths in contempt. In the past yes people cared, and one religion in particular still does, but on the whole most people don't actually care. That is my view anyway, agree to disagree.

And religious texts say a lot; again, most don't believe them to be the literal word of god and think they should be literally true. The bible talks of stoning; how many Christian nations do it? The Koran talks of stoning-and Muslims are much, MUCH more for Shariah law and so on than Christians.
So again, in my view the religious text argument is flawed. It is a fair point against those who believe the religious texts to be literally the word of God, but many do not.

And not all religious people spend "countless hours" praying. I mean just because a few people may dedicate their lives to God, a few may die for God, doesn't mean all religious people spend their days praying. So again, I disagree. You haven't really saved countless hours at all over religious people. Praying for many can simply be a few seconds each day. Setting your alarm 30 seconds earlier in the morning gets you back this oh so precious time. Speeding up your shower or not browsing the internet on your phone whilst on the toilet can save you much more time. So again, I disagree. Each to their own, but I think you are the naive and misinformed one.

Naive for thinking that most people in the UK of the aforementioned faiths really care that much about holy wars.
Naive and misinformed for thinking that religious people in the UK of the aforementioned groups take their holy book to be the literal word of God and thus they must follow it precisely, religious intolerance and the rest. If people did they would never work on a Sunday, not wear clothes of more than four materials and not eat bacon. But many do.
Naive and misinformed for thinking that religious people as a general rule in the UK spend more than a few seconds each day praying. If your time is really that precious, speed up your shower and bowel movement.

Where's your evidence? You don't seem to be basing this on much. I'd say quite a lot of Americans could display religious intolerance. Oh just the one religion with 1.6 billion followers, that's okay then... I'm also guessing you've never visited N. Ireland or Glasgow for that matter either?
Where is your evidence? You don't seem to be basing your argument on much.

Your second point regarding the bible being taken literally is again... very misinformed. In Christianity, worshiping a false god is one of the 10 commandments... not something people can simply ignore or interpret in a different way. You've heard of the 10 commandments right? Which actually are meant to be the words of god? And must be followed precisely?
Complete bull. Not all people think the bible, or some parts, are the direct word of god. Already argued this quite clearly. You've heard of passing stories down verbally right? Cool.

I never claimed that all religious people pray constantly. Simply that they have wasted countless hours of their lives if it turns out it was the wrong god or there wasn't one. Many muslims for example pray 5 times a day tallying up to around half an hour a day... everyday... for years. I'll let you do the math. It's pretty clear that you're taking a very insular view regarding this. Just because what you're saying applies to YOU doesn't mean it does to everybody else.
Countless hours? You have wasted countless hours of your life getting all upset because religous people choose to believe something. And again, many people don't pray that often (oh wait, I mentioned that). If your time is soooo important speed up your showers and get off TSR?

And I haven't even mentioned a whole host of other liberties given up in the name of religion. Certain foods, a persons sexuality, a persons sex life in general... ****ING CIRCUMCISION. I would love to the see the face of a circumcised man when he realises he was mutilated at birth for pretty much no reason.
What you take pleasure in is strange. A hobby is very much needed.

But please.. continue on how religious people haven't lost out if all that was for nothing...

Yeah, religious people have lost out on SO. MUCH. Many religious people would say that;
They can part of a community (which is good). This can provide friends, people to be around on Christmas, people to be around for rites of passage, provide support to each other, etc.

They can try and live a moral life, helping others, as they believe that is their duty. They can have a clear conscience in their life.

I could go on. Don't think I need to. A religious person spending some time praying but being part of a community with other people are probably better than the atheists with a chip on their shoulder on here taking perverse pleasures in people dying. Strange folk. Perhaps a bit of religion could give them more positive hobbies, goals and desires in their life. I mean being atheist is fine, as is believing in a God/Gods, but the chip on some peoples' shoulder is hilarious.

And how do you really know there is no God? You don't. So acting like you are so, so sure about this when you are the misinformed one is hilarious. No one on here, religious or atheist, can be sure what happens when we die. No one. But there is one group who seems to think that they have all the answers. Unless you are dead you don't know, and if you don't know you are misinformed. Have an opinion by all means, but drop the smug chip on your shoulder until you have some actual proof perhaps? Or don't, and just spend your evenings wishing to see the face of dead circumcised men. I don't mind either way./

'Complete bull. Not all people think the bible, or some parts, are the direct word of god. Already argued this quite clearly. You've heard of passing stories down verbally right? Cool.'

Wow, you are a genuine idiot aren't you? As I said, not worshiping a false god was one of the 10 commandments, which yes was the word of god:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (Jn.1:1-3 NIV).

Oh, some guy who fantasises about a circumcised man dying so you can see his face doesn't understand that not all people believe these things to be the literal word of god?
Who would have thought it. Man with strange (possibly sexual) fantasies is being strange. Nice dodge about all the points about a community as well, and how they help people have better hobbies than bitter hating of other people and perverse desires and goals. Wow, you really do need a better hobby. Genuine idiot indeed.

Yes! That was the point I was trying to get across. Muslims are told to pray 5 times a day which would have summed up to about at least a couple of years gone to waste throughout their lifetime..

And If they found out that God isn't real then...

The Quran contains no contradictions, no scientific errors and no mistakes.

Can you find me one scientific error and quote where in the Quran it is located?


Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy, In the university of Toronto, Canada.
He says that the Quran contains the description of full embryonic development, which was revealed in the 7th century AD. As far as embryology is concerned, little or nothing was known about the classification of embryonic development until the 20th century. He therefore quotes that "For this reason, the description of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Mohammed from God. He could not have known such details for he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training."


Now I'm not trying to prove Islam correct, but this is just one of the many scientific explanations in the Quran that could not have been known in the past. If that doesn't come across to you as something worth looking into, then I don't know what is.

For some reason TSR isn't allowing my post to actually post... I actually wrote a detailed post explaining what a complete and utter moron you are. I'll have to try again later cause I really cba doing it for a third time right now.
The moron sounds like the guy who can't even use a keyboard. I mean put a couple of monkeys in a room and they may eventually create Shakespeare but you after many attempts can't even produce a simple post.
I won't lose any sleep being called a moron by the biggest moron of them all.
But in the mean time keep making snide remarks over what was a clear joke, (not to mention I never said anything about imagining people die, but keep showing what absolute retard you are) ignoring my actual points regarding baby mutilation as well as people sacrificing their own personalities and desires for their religion,
Calm down sweetie did a bad man touch your weenie when you were little and make you very angry to this day?

Oh and finally, read the ****ing title of the thread. The one that specifically asks us to think of the hypothetical situation where God does not exist. Then you question why someone is doing just that?

I mean WOW, just wow.

right after you died, how would you honestly feel? I am just wondering because there are at least 5 other religions than your own and if you die and find out it wasn't the 'correct' one would you feel as if you wasted your time? or would you still be okay with it?

No. Questioning why god does not exist is fine, but the smug and perverse pleasure some have on here in bashing religion is perplexing. When it gets to the point that people are spending their evenings hoping to see the face of a deceased circumcised man...wow indeed.

1) Allah thinks sperm comes from the back area near the kidneys LOL LOL

Allah says: "So let man see from what he is created. He is created from a water gushing forth - proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs" [Sûrah al-Târiq: 5-7]

There are numerous scientific inaccuracies in all of the scripture. I look forward to your mental gymnastics for the above two however

I used to study Physics at AS level. It was a subject I was not really good in, but I did it any way because I felt it was an important subject which would help me get into the university course I wanted (chemical engineering).

I didn't do well in Physics, in the end. However, I can be comforted in the fact that I did learn some new things which I found interesting, and that at least I tried doing well. It's far better than not having studied the subject or not putting any effort in doing well at all.

And once again you say absolutely nothing of substance I don't think you've actually managed to provide one single credible argument refuting any of my points? And you're STILL refusing to comment on baby mutilation and the treatment of gays by religion?
What has the treatment of gays or circumcision got to do with religion being true? Nothing at all. Nice argument lol. Genuis logic; a kid gets circumcised-god can't exist.

Then again you are the person who claims that at least a billion people praying at least 3 hours a week.. "isn't that many"

Please keep this up because it is comedy gold. Me and a couple of my pals are reading this and laughing our arses of at your stupidity.

You have some sad, sad friends. Sitting around on TSR, getting weirdly upset about religion. I mean you didged my point about being part of a community being a huge benefit; perhaps if you were part of a community of some kind you wouldn't spend your evenings being irrationally worked up by religion and having the weird wish to see the face of a dead circumcised man.

Some of my teachers/lecturers over the years have been flirt-worthy.However, I was unable to have any success with them. My motto was in such a situation "if at first you don't succeed, try and try until you think you will get a restraining order".My failure was not due to lack of effort, believe me.