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Feminists don't hate men, but it doesn't matter if they did

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"Besides, when women hate men, we hurt their feelings. When men hate women, they kill us: mass shootings have been attributed to misogyny, and sexual and domestic violence against women is often fuelled by a hatred for women."

as well as domestic abuse against men. I think more men get abused than women (?) but not so many men want to go and report that.

Well first off women hurting men's feelings? Thought us heartless men had no feelings?!

But basically all women do is hurt men emotionally, lol dat emotional abuse, go cry more.

So I can emotionally abuse my girlfriend and when she has some sort of issue, I'll get feminazi Valenti to show us that emotional abuse ain't a big deal...or is that only when women are the perpetrators?

Reply 61

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by lucymellor

I do mostly agree with what you've said here, you make some good points.

I should be met with this reaction from people more often :tongue:

Reply 62

okey

Life threatening misogyny? There was one incident cited that was loosely linked to some kind of arguably misogynistic value and all of a sudden all women are once again under some kind of ridiculous (but very imaginative) oppression.

Reply 63

scrotgrot

Original post by lucymellor

The point is that it's ingrained sexism that we want to see young hot women in films as opposed to older women who are equally as capable.

No, it's not sexism, it's the nature of the male sexual response. Men prefer women in their twenties because they are at their peak fertility. Men make up fifty per cent of potential film audiences and their sexual response is maybe the strongest hormonal drive in human nature. Preferences allied to that response represent a massive market opportunity.

Women are also likely to prefer to look at young, hot women. Much of our concept of aesthetic feminine beauty is based on their erogenous and neotenous features. Women also want to feel like they are associated with such high-value women.

The same thing happens the other way round (although it is true women's preferences are more varied, at least superficially so). Male heart-throbs playing confident, socially dominant roles appeal to both men and women: the women want them, the men want to be them.

It's like if I was whinging about how there weren't enough fat, ugly, short, wimpy male leads with crappy jobs.

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Reply 64

Underscore__

Original post by lucymellor

The point is that it's ingrained sexism that we want to see young hot women in films as opposed to older women who are equally as capable.

No it isn't, people like thing that are attractive. That's why romcoms star Ryan Gosling and Zac Efron not Jonah Hill. Of course there are exceptions but that works both ways; Melissa McCarthy was the first highest paid actress last year

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Reply 65

username457532

I'm a feminism and egalitarian. I know that privilege exists and I know certain demographics are systematically oppressed. But I get very angry at things like this. So many people from marginalised groups hate on the groups they see as having advantages that were unearned and then extend this to hating the individuals. I hear so many people say stuff like 'white men are evil' and 'all cis people are scum' and the people saying these things don't see they are doing exactly what they claim to be against. They are judging people based on something they didn't choose. Being born with privilege that you didn't ask for doesn't make you a bad person, it's what you do with that privilege that defines you. You can't fight prejudice with more prejudice. You can't fight hate with more hate. Seeing someone's identity ahead of their words and actions is what you're saying you want to stop. If you don't want to been seen as only your race, or gender, or sexuality (etc.) then don't see someone only as theirs.

Reply 66

BobbyFlay

Original post by lucymellor

That is one of the worst metaphors I've seen, try again buddy :lol:

I don't think you know what metaphor is...
"a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable" - What part of basic demand and supply theory sounds 'not literally applicable' to you?

Reply 67

sadly

Original post by Eigo-Jin

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/13/feminists-do-not-hate-men

Comments?

I agree with her in the sense that misogyny and misandry are not the same levels of hate, like misandry tends to be name calling or feelings hurt etc. and misogyny is life-threatening- rape and dead threat, men who feel entitled to women like? totally different playing field (generally) and whilst I acknowledge there can be cases that are the total opposite, it's not common either.

Reply 68

Eigo_Jin

Original post by sadly

Sexism is still sexism, whether it's misogyny or misandry. It's like saying that a black person being racist towards a white person is not as bad as a white person being racist to a black person.
Does not compute.

Reply 69

sadly

Original post by Eigo-Jin

wowww as a black woman what you said doesn't make sense literally like bye don't @ me or quote me anymore lol thanks

Reply 70

Eigo_Jin

Original post by sadly

wowww as a black woman what you said doesn't make sense literally like bye don't @ me or quote me anymore lol thanks

haha quoting you anyways :smile:

What does you being black have to do with it? I'm half black. You're getting offended for no reason lol
You said that some sexism is not as bad as others so I just applied a different context (race)
You understand now? Is everything made clear?

Reply 71

Evening

Jessica Valenti is a miserable, wretched woman whose daddy never loved her enough to buy her that cadilac when she was 16, thus she assumes all men are to blame.

Of course most Guardian writers are champagne socialists, this comes as no secret. But Jessica Valenti belongs to a certain subset of moron who seems bent upon female supremacy. She is a vile, dangeous woman with horrible views. And when she croaks I'll happily dance on her grave.

Reply 72

SmashConcept

read title
assumed jessica valenti
didn't click on blatant clickbait article
skimmed first page of thread long enough to find i was right
didn't read thread

^how to win at life in a TSR debate over feminism folks