My favourite pro veganism quotation!

Original post by there's too much love

This is disgusting. Putting meat eaters and rapists/pedophiles in the same category. reported.

*Doesn't understand an argument*
*Reports argument in fear of what is not understood*.

ok.

Reply 261

Katty3

Original post by Evening

Vegans suffer from a sickness of the mind, therefore it is only fitting that they're put down.

What disease? Veganism isn't a disease. It merely rejects the need for animal products in food. It is therefore one of the least harmful lifestyles going.

So someone with depression should be murdered then? Given that it is a sickness of the mind and should be put down, according to your logic.

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Reply 262

Would really appreciate it if you didn't comment on my posts x

Reply 263

or maybe just dont comment on my posts tbh. I love posting but i dont appreciate you quoting me.

Reply 264

Opinion on the medical advancements made because of animal testing?

Reply 265

Wow. You can clearly tell that your opinion on my views have 0 meaning to me which is why I told you not to quote me. We have completely different opinions on this and you are not going to change my mind whether you think im ignorant or not.

Reply 266

Would you use any medicine that has been created as a result of the data collected from animal models? I.e. most of them

Yay vegans :ahee:

Oh whatever. You called me ignorant for calling out an idiot comparing meat eaters to murderers and rapists, you replied me with some ignorant BS and I replied back. So we clearly have different opinions on this so there is no point in preching to me to eat fruits and vegetables for the rest of my life because its not going to happen

enjoy the rest of your evening x

Reply 269

By that logic,

I can't change how my mince meat came to be. It's happened. Nothing I can do to stop that. So I buy it and enjoy it.

Reply 270

I'm a vegetarian.

This is exactly why I'm not friends with vegans - I really don't want to be associated with this kind of outlook. I've never met such arrogant and self-satisfied people as vegans, they even look down on vegetarians as if we're Satan spawn for eating cheese. Get a grip.

There are doctors, carers and scientists working on curing diseases and all sorts of altruistic people who aren't vegan or vegetarian - there are plenty of good people who aren't vegan (likewise there are plenty of bad people who aren't vegan) and there are murderers and rapists who are vegetarian and vegan just as there are good people who are vegetarian and vegan.

Militant vegans are like fundamentalist Christians - just because you think you're morally clean doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't live like you isn't. You're not morally superior because you eat beans and pulses.

Reply 271

I wonder why there is such a large demand for meat? Us savages.

And I wonder why it's required by law.....I wonder where that 'backward' line of thinking stems from.

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Reply 272

Original post by somethingbeautiful

Yeah these people are pretty crazy. He implied he would purposely let me drown earlier lol.

Reply 273

Do you put the same amount of effort into humanitarian issues? FGM? Feminism? Poverty? Inequality? The effects of war?

or is it only animal welfare you focus on?

Reply 274

No, it's not a choice I've made. It was never a case of ''from this point on I'm not going to make any vegan friends''. That would be ludicrous. It's that I've never met one who has proven me wrong - they've all been self-righteous and judgmental, so I've not continued our 'friendships' . Who wants to be friends with someone who looks down on everyone because of what they have on their dinner plate?

As for your attack of vegetarianism - I chose it for myself, not for anyone else - so I have no reason to defend it to anyone and I don't try to persuade anyone to be one either.

On that point - Vegetarianism/veganism boils down to your own sense of morality. Nothing on earth is morally wrong. We've created laws based on human moral judgements, but beyond the law, for example, that the murder of other human beings is illegal and punishable, how are you going to prove to me that it's ultimately wrong? That or anything else (including eating meat). There are no such objective principles. Unless you're religious and think they come from God (as in commandments) - but I'm an atheist and don't agree.

Ultimately, nothing is immoral, it's all in your head. I've taken my personal sense of morality so far (vegetarianism) and you've taken yours so far (veganism) but neither of those are benchmarks for an objective standard of morality because there isn't an objective standard of morality. There is no ultimate objective yardstick of morality. So ultimately, no one is superior or inferior, morally speaking. Vegans looking down on meat eaters is laughable because it's meaningless. They're judging other people by their own personal moral standards - which aren't objective and have no authority or jurisdiction.

So when I hear vegans and other vegetarians preaching to people it astounds me because they seem to think they're living to the ultimate standard of morality when one doesn't even exist. Either that or they think they've created it - in which case they think they're God and therefore they're insane.

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Reply 275

Just because I find those things repulsive doesn't mean that they're is a law written into the universe which instructs humans not to do those things. Just as there is no law written into the universe to tell us not to eat cows. Or do you have evidence to the contrary that you'd like to share with the rest of the human race?

Whether I'd like you to refrain from those things and whether there is a universal law not to do those things are different matters.

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Reply 276

daydreamer4life

Original post by loveleest

eating their food isn't very kind.

Do you and your family enjoy eating similar food? Then thats like me saying to you "You don't love your family if you eat their food."

But the truth is, you DON'T eat their food because there is enough around for everyone to share :smile:

Same goes here, we might eat the same food as the animals, but thats fine because there's enough for both them and us!

I know you were trying to be smart, but your argument just makes no sense.

Reply 277

viddy9

Original post by somethingbeautiful

They're judging other people by their own personal moral standards - which aren't objective and have no authority or jurisdiction...So when I hear vegans and other vegetarians preaching to people it astounds me because they seem to think they're living to the ultimate standard of morality when one doesn't even exist.

Firstly, it is of course good that you're a vegetarian.

You're also remarkably consistent for a moral subjectivist: most subjectivists still, illogically, contend that some things are morally wrong, but you go so far as to say that murdering other humans isn't morally wrong either.

I do wonder, though, how you're so certain that objective moral values do not exist. For a strong refutation of this position, I'd recommend the moral philosopher Peter Singer's recent work The Point of View of the Universe.

Here's why I think objective moral values do exist: Every sentient being aims to minimise its own suffering and maximise the satisfaction of its interests. However, there is no rational justification for anyone to assign more importance to their suffering, or their interests, than to anyone else's: their suffering is no less real when they experience it than when you do. Thus, if we are to aim to minimise our suffering, and maximise the satisfaction of our interests – which it is impossible not to – it logically follows that we are obligated to do the same for others.

Another way to get there is to recognise that suffering is bad for all sentient beings. As Magnus Vinding puts it: suffering and its inherent badness is a fact about consciousness, and this is not a made-up value statement, anymore than the assertion that the moon exists is a made-up value statement and something we could decide to change. We cannot just decide that suffering is not bad.

Reply 278

Morality is derived from emotion, not intelligence.

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