Islamophobia is not the same as antisemitism

Islam may not be a race, but considering the vitriolic way in which even some of TSR's more 'liberal' members talk about Muslims, am I really supposed to believe that Islamophobes don't hold prejudiced views against anyone they see who happens to 'look Muslim' racially?

Islam may not be a race, but considering the vitriolic way in which even some of TSR's more 'liberal' members talk about Muslims, am I really supposed to believe that Islamophobes don't hold prejudiced views against anyone they see who happens to 'look Muslim' racially?

Jews are not a race. That's just factually wrong.

A Jew born in India and a Jew born in China are clearly not the same race are they?

Yes lots of Jews come from similar areas, but Jews in and of themselves are not a race and it is wrong to call themselves as such.
If anything, it's a passed down religion.

Oh ok, thanks for the info.

The country you are born in is not the same thing as race. It's true that anyone can become Jewish, but there is also such a thing as Jews as an ethnicity. Antisemitism is discrimination against this ethnicity. That's why pictures of Jews with big noses and curly black hair are racist; because they're mocking them as an ethnicity.

From wikipedia: The Jews, also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group
From wikipedia: An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group
From wikipedia: A Muslim, sometimes spelled Moslem,^[1] relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam

Whether or not Jews can be scientifically regarded as a race, in the same way as black people can, is irrelevant. Racism has generally come to mean prejudice against a people for their ancestral ethnicity. By this I mean that antisemites dislike Jews even when they have left the religion, simply because they are ethnic Jews; because their surname is Jewish, because their family is Jewish, or because they look Jewish. When Hitler slaughtered the Jews, he didn't care about the actual beliefs of each individual. He was killing them due to their lineage. This is the same as racism. You are discriminating against people because of their creed.

Islamophobes are not doing this. They are prejudiced against followers of an ideology, and if a Muslim decides to reject Islam, then he is no longer a Muslim in any sense, and Islamophobes will be on their side, like they are with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for example.

Islam may not be a race, but considering the vitriolic way in which even some of TSR's more 'liberal' members talk about Muslims, am I really supposed to believe that Islamophobes don't hold prejudiced views against anyone they see who happens to 'look Muslim' racially?

Judaism is not a race or an ethnicity.

Yes lots of Jews come from similar places but Judaism in and of itself is neither a race nor an ethnicity.

Think about it this way, your race or ethnicity is factual- it is part of who you are and can't change. You can however convert to Judaism - you can't convert your race/ ethnicity.

I'm an English Jew my race is white.

Judaism is a religion, not a race, a religion. It may be a passed down religion but by the basic definitions of race and ethnicity, Judaism is not a race.

Whether or not Jews can be scientifically regarded as a race, in the same way as black people can, is irrelevant. Racism has generally come to mean prejudice against a people for their ancestral ethnicity. By this I mean that antisemites dislike Jews even when they have left the religion, simply because they are ethnic Jews; because their surname is Jewish, because their family is Jewish, or because they look Jewish. When Hitler slaughtered the Jews, he didn't care about the actual beliefs of each individual. He was killing them due to their lineage. This is the same as racism. You are discriminating against people because of their creed.

Islam may not be a race, but considering the vitriolic way in which even some of TSR's more 'liberal' members talk about Muslims, am I really supposed to believe that Islamophobes don't hold prejudiced views against anyone they see who happens to 'look Muslim' racially?

Whether or not Jews can be scientifically regarded as a race, in the same way as black people can, is irrelevant. Racism has generally come to mean prejudice against a people for their ancestral ethnicity. By this I mean that antisemites dislike Jews even when they have left the religion, simply because they are ethnic Jews; because their surname is Jewish, because their family is Jewish, or because they look Jewish. When Hitler slaughtered the Jews, he didn't care about the actual beliefs of each individual. He was killing them due to their lineage. This is the same as racism. You are discriminating against people because of their creed. :

You make a lot of interesting points but still, Judaism can not be regarded as an 'ethnicity'.

I don't see whether or not Jews can scientifically be regarded as a race as 'irrelevant' - it's very relevant because a 'race' or 'ethnicity' is a factual term, not a matter of opinion.

And yes anti-semites may do all those things but that doesn't change the basic fact that Judaism is not an ethnicity. And yes Hitler may have slaughtered Jews because of their lineage but again that doesn't equate to Jews being an ethnicity. The fact that certain odious people have conflated the meaning does not make it correct.

Lots of Jews come from the same place, many from Poland and many from the Middle East to name two. Their racial and ethnic features are not 'Jewish' but rather Polish and Middle Eastern. The stereotypical image of a Jew with a big nose is just that - a stereotype. It's the fact that Polish people in general have certain characteristics and as many Jews are from Poland - they have those same characteristics.

You can look at a Jew from Poland, from Israel, from China, from Nigeria and from India and they are all completely different. They are not one race, nor one ethnicity. The thing that unites them is their religion.

I do find this debate quite interesting and you do raise some interesting points but nonetheless I must disagree and argue the point that Judaism is a religion, just like Christianity, Islam and many others.

The fundamental difference is that Jews (whether they be ethnic, cultural, religious, whatever) have historically been persecuted simply for being Jews.
Muslims - as a group - are being criticised for defending a violent, divisive and oppressive ideology. They are not persecuted.

Therefore:
Antisemitism = Unacceptable
Islamophobia = Acceptable

I disagree. Whilst Jews have certainly been criticised for merely being Jews. The same can be said of Muslims.

Many if not most Muslims do not share or hold extremist ideologies prevalent in the more extreme elements of the religion

yet they are treated as one of the same. Hence when Nick Griffin called for all Muslims to be deported, for the very fact they were Muslims - not just ones with extreme views.

I said "persecuted". Jews have been persecuted for being Jewish. Muslims have only been criticised, not persecuted.

This is a commonly held fallacy amongst apologists. Agreed that there are many Muslims who, when asked, would reject such concepts as slavery, domestic violence and the killing of opponents, but when the same people are asked if the Quran is the actual word of god, as relevant today in Europe as it was in 7th century Arabia, the vast majority will claim that it is.
They hold extremist beliefs by default.

Citing Nick Griffin is hardly illustrative of general social attitudes! You have just committed the same fallacy that you accuse others of making in the para above!

And frankly, I do not consider a right-wing crackpot saying that extremist Muslims should be deported (I cant find any reference to him saying "all Muslims' ) to be persecution equivalent to being rounded up and killed - elderly, women and children.

Whilst Jews have certainly been criticised for merely being Jews.

How delicately - just criticized. You have nothing to do with Jewishness.