Leaving Islam/ telling my family I'm athiest?

Yes, and thereby you have just highlighted another flaw. How can life be a test if Allah already knows the outcome?

I did, you have not explained it logically.

We have been given free will, I'm not going to delve into this.
Instead I will say Allah knows best.

'Logically'. You can't keep saying that word, in the hope that it makes everything you say correct.

Logic, in these matters isn't very subjective and you have failed, yet again, to logically explain why non-muslims are rewarded during life.

And again, you have failed to logically explain how this makes sense. Allah knows your actions before you're even born and therefore life cannot be a test as no outcome is in doubt.

Exactly "Allah knows best" when you can't explain it.

non-muslims may not necessarily be rewarded in this life, but if a non-muslim is of a good character, ultimately it won't bring him benefit towards the hereafter, only this life.

However a Muslim can get benefit in both this life and the next.

Or maybe that is a perfectly reasonable thing for a 'logical' person to say, who realises that he has been made finite, with a limited understanding of the world around him

Which shows glaring use of double standards when it suits you.

Good thing happens to non-muslim "he's being rewarded in this life, not the next"

Bad thing happens to non-muslim "he's being punished for rejecting Allah"

Good thing happens to muslim "he's being rewarded for belief in Allah"

Bad thing happens to muslim "it's a test from Allah".

It's not hard to see the convoluted and inconsistent justifications that religious people have invented in an attempt to cover all possible scenarios. You have failed to explain why a non-muslims would ever be rewarded while alive anyway. If God hates them so much that they're going to punished forever after death, there is no logic to being rewarded while alive.

And I've asked you already to provide evidence for this hereafter, you have not done so.

Which shows glaring use of double standards when it suits you.

Good thing happens to non-muslim "he's being rewarded in this life, not the next"

Bad thing happens to non-muslim "he's being punished for rejecting Allah"

Good thing happens to muslim "he's being rewarded for belief in Allah"

Bad thing happens to muslim "it's a test from Allah".

It's not hard to see the convoluted and inconsistent justifications that religious people have invented in an attempt to cover all possible scenarios. You have failed to explain why a non-muslims would ever be rewarded while alive anyway. If God hates them so much that they're going to punished forever after death, there is no logic to being rewarded while alive.

And I've asked you already to provide evidence for this hereafter, you have not done so.

Ironic you say that because despite this limited understanding you seem to have an awfully clear understanding about what it is God wants and life is about

Another contradiction right there!

Or maybe that is just the truth of the matter, which you don't want to accept.

Lol you are trying way too hard and forgetting that Allah has sent down revelation(the QURAN), in which he has explained many things, however we have not been given knowledge on everything, for reasons Allah knows best.

Moreover Allah has sent all of his messengers with a clear message

You needn't waste your time with Planta, he's hardcore jahil, and discussing things with him has not benefited him or anyone for the years he's been here spreading fasad and jahiliyyah

The message is not clear, if it were why are there so many different sects and interpretations of it?

And you haven't even explained these basic holes in dogma using sound logic.

Even if there was a true religion which existed (from the perspective of the current irreligious), there would always be something to call 'convenient' or complain about, and even if God decended from the sky, skeptics like you and Qe2 would probably say "this isn't God, it's just a created superior life form that we must research"...

This is my last message of today

IT has also been predicted in Hadith that there will be 73 sects but only 1 will be saved ( those who adhered to the Sunnah and the Quran)

This seems quite useless, you bring up already solved issues, my you've been debating for so long , I'm surprised you don't know the answer to this yourself??!

The Qur'an has told us about the mentality of the Jahil


And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old."

And how true the Qur'an is.

Nope, if it were the truth it wouldn't be so inconsistent.

But if you believe it is, would you mind providing actual evidence it's true?



Chances, but Allah knows every second before you're even born and thus knows how your life will end up, there concept of chances cannot exist alongside the notion of an all-knowing God, as it implies he didn't know you would make mistakes.



As mentioned, this isn't evidence. You can't use quotes from the Qur'an to prove the Qur'an's true, that's circular reasoning. Once again, that's like saying Hogwarts exists because the Harry Potter books say so.

If you say something enough times you end up believing it, as is the case with you sir.