Which just debunks your claim that it is a clear message.
Only debunked in your mind, and i don't remember making such a claim. Know I wills say that the Qur'an does indeed have a clear message, however anything without context can be interpreted as anyone wants, the tasfir needs to be read and studied with scholars.
For starters, the true religion would not be riddled with mistakes and contradictions.
A perfect, flawless book from the true God would be water-tight and there would literally not be a single argument that could be formulated against it, considering everything that God is meant to know and be.
Concerning your second point, if anything that's more a reflection of the weakness of the theist' stance, given that it would thus be impossible to differentiate between God and a higher life form.
This is an interesting argument, the line people draw to determine true perfection is very low
Something which is truly perfect would be so impossibly difficult to refute
Nope, I have simply highlighted your illogical, inconsistent arguments.
I've read into Qadr and it is as illogical as ever. No one, to my knowledge has been able to successfully consolidate predestination with free will and an all-knowing God.
Exactly my point, we haven't been given knowledge on it, so how do you we answer it?
Exactly my point, we haven't been given knowledge on it, so how do you we answer it?
I thought you were going to stop posting for today?
What? We know what predestination and free will are, the issue is being able to make them logically co-exist. In regards to life being a test, no one has explained how this can be so if God is all-knowing, considering that you only test someone when you don't know the outcome, which God does.
Only debunked in your mind, and i don't remember making such a claim. Know I wills say that the Qur'an does indeed have a clear message, however anything without context can be interpreted as anyone wants, the tasfir needs to be read and studied with scholars.
No, debunked in truth. You said it is clear, the fact there are different interpretations blatantly proves that it isn't.
I left Islam, but my dad was already an atheist and my mum was a fairly liberal Muslim. You need to judge how your parents would react to you coming out as an atheist. Having heard scary stories about how some Muslim parents react, I would be wary of telling them until you are fully independent.
This is an interesting argument, the line people draw to determine true perfection is very low
Something which is truly perfect would be so impossibly difficult to refute
One of my favourites was at a Christian university, there was an atheist (not sure who) and he was doing a talk. He asked all the students to raise their hands if they had read The Da Vinchi Code from front cover to back cover. Most students put their hands up. He then asked all the students to raise their hands if they had read the Bible from front cover to back cover. A smattering of hands went up.
Then he basically said how surely if these people genuinely believe that this was a message written by God for them, they would want to read every last word of this book?
I come from a completely different situation, but I was raised a Catholic and now am an atheist. But, I have never come out and said that I am an atheist. I guess my question is, do you feel you need to tell them?
I'm not Islamically literate, so to speak, but was that last part a threat? "Just think of what happened to people who didn't follow Allah in the Qur'an (in terms of punishment)?"