UK: Massive Population Increase

Infrastructure can be built.

Whose taxes are paying for it? The people working in starbucks earning £15,000 a year, paying £800 a year in tax?

The people who pay tax every year. The state is fat, we can find plenty of money.

Can we? That's good because we owe

£1,500,000,000,000

That's one and a half trillion pounds for the number challenged

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How about this:

-Working-age people save for their retirement
-Stop admitting low-skilled immigrants who sponge more than their contribute

=More money for the Government to spend on public services for the elderly

That's meaningless since the servicing cost is less than £50bn and will fall once we move into surplus. Affordability matters more than the nominal number no matter how scary it looks.

And yes, the state spends tens of billions on crap.

All the apparently none essential departments will have taken a 25-40% cut by 2018 from 2010

Servicing the debt also costs more than 50 billion which isn't affordable at all even if it were that as its 500 billion a decade which could be spent on other things

At this point I do think it will have to reach 2 trillion as we are still spending too much and yes infrastructure needs to be built but not continually

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If you physically have more old people than young people to look after them no amount of money can fix that.

The people who pay tax every year. The state is fat, we can find plenty of money.

Then clearly we are spending too much on public services then!

You can't just increase the working age population, then when they grow old you need even more working age population

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... You don't understand. Money can not magic humans beings into existence. All the money in the world can not fix that.

Nope. It could balance out.

It could balance out?????? How??

Do you realise you just completely lost the argument with this?

That would be a neat trick since the 1931 census reported the population of England and Wales as 39.9 million. Were they anticipating a plague?

That's not really a problem to me, I'm fine with a larger population. Infrastructure can be built.

This is the real problem: there are millions of British people who are alienated from the world.

I was in a pub recently, eavesdropping on the next table, one of the group said "who needs trees? You could cut down the lot of them for all I care!"

This weekend I went down to Devon and just breathed the fresh air and imbibed the green scenery. Real green, not the beaten green of the South East. I saw four species of lichen on a single branch. Man and nature seemed in balance. It was as good for me as any work, success, medicine or religion.

Those who are brutalised by basements and lost in the mechanisms of advancement should not govern us.

f anything id say its you guys in the south east who don't represent the experience of the wider population between the London hippies and shire nimby's.

Your derogatory terminology: "London hippies and shire nimbies" - shows a mechanical approach to philosophy. Do you have any idea why you do anything? So you get a degree, so what? Some people are concerned about AI's taking over the world and machines imitating humans but do we live in an age where humans have learnt how to imitate machines?

Interesting, what do you mean? I'm quite detached and rational of that's what you mean.

You've lost me a bit at the bottom. That's not a negative outcome perhaps.