Why aren't people angry at the economic migrants

There does exist a subtle difference between maintaining the current system so that it benefits you only (whilst you stop others (read: foreigners) from leeching from it) and reforming the system so that it benefits neither you or them.

The latter has some semblance of equality whilst the former is simply greed.


The issue is not whether or not people will want free stuff but whether keeping the status quo system of benefits but denying foreigners is an active form of discrimination against people who simply had the misfortune of being born in a land where there was no system.

If these refugees are making the journey here to start a new beginning, then I wholeheartedly welcome them.

If they are making the journey here to exploit the system, then I would consider reforming the system so that it is more stringent and applies equally to all.

If you want the argument to be framed in another manner, then one can easily argue (as you seem to have done) that these refugees are more deserving of the benefits system because they have made a concious effort to attain something whilst the native Brits have simply sat on their arses, waiting for their next hand-out.

If you want to frame the argument in such terms, you are free to do so but just remember, it won't fly.

I'm too blind to actually notice, the ad hominem doesn't help, and I also never said the system doesn't help those demographics. So that's a straw man argument.

The system is undeniably being abused by people who aren't refugees, and the reason many refugees are homeless and starving in neighbouring Syrian countries is preciously because our resources are being monopolised by these economic migrants, when the resources would be better spent housing and feeding the actual refugees in neighbouring countries of Syria.

You have nothing but an emotive argument, with misrepresentations of other peoples argument to make yours seem better by comparison. Coupled with a false narrative of reality; staving people do not own android phones and pay people smugglers thousands of pounds then traverse the width of Europe carrying their belongings on their backs. These are not the actions of people suffering from starvation.

Starving people generally die in this world, which is the cold reality, and the resources meant to save them are being consumed by young well fed men who have picked up and moved to Europe claiming to be refugees.

You can see how someone might see your post as disingenuous, bordering on an outright lie

Enlighten me on the relevance of your post, because I fail to see it.

The Jews, whom the Nazi's (and some other European countries) were persecuting, fled from Germany and ended up in far flung places like the United States, Russia, Israel, the UK and Arabia.

If the concept of a Refugee entails that he or she should simply travel to the nearest country and wait until their country is habitable and they are under no threat of persecution before they return, then there would not be any diaspora originating through the movement of refugees.

Refugees (and indeed many people) want to better themselves as best they can and the way they think they can do that, is to emigrate or flee to a country which offers them the best prospect for doing so.

To deny others the same benefit that you would derive for yourself, simply as a result of fortune having been born on a particular piece of land, is not only selfish, but one of the most despicable acts that a human could ever engage in.

I have never claimed that we should "get rid of" the welfare state. My argument has simply been about making it fair to all, whether you are a Brit or a foreigner.

don't think the ones that sit on their arses and get handouts actually contribute to the riches of this country. In fact, they deduct from the riches of this country.

I'm sure donating £5 from the £6,000 that you have received from the Government (free of charge, of course) is helping someone somewhere.

Pretty much this. Does the OP have something against the Jewish refugees who also went to the UK, instead of say neighbouring France and Spain (of which some did do) ?

A massive generalisation

but it seems that the ones that seem to cry the loudest about refugees coming for benefits, are the ones on some kind of benefits themselves.

One does find the situation quite surreal.

If they are present in this country and in need of some assistance from the State, then I don't see why not.



I'm pretty sure that not all Brits are on benefits.



If it is really the UK people who are giving their money, then what does it matter whether the foreigner (to whom you are giving to) is living in the UK or abroad?

At the end of the day, it's still going to the foreigner.



I simply cannot recall what your point was.

I think those that have made the journey to the UK should be allowed to derive the benefits of the system of the country in which they are resident of.

Does that answer your (quite ridiculous) question?

But the Jewish refugees were not economic migrants, were they?

So OP how many Jewish refugees went to France and Spain instead of the UK? Were they also looking for money?

You're actually comparing this lot to the Jews escaping the Holocaust

Women and children first, actual refugees first.

I don't blame them, Merkel has clearly welcomed them your anger shouldn't be directed at the refugees it should
be directed at the EU for allowing this to happen.

If I was in their situation and a country as safe and wealthy as Germany were willing to accept me as a refugee then clearly I will pack my clothes and trying my best to get there

Theyre just the most recent. Fine then let's compare the refugees that fled European nations and headed to the UK, to escape Napoleon when there were safe countries in the way?

What of the Jews who left poorer European lands and headed to Ottoman lands? Did they also go because the Ottomans were richer?

How about you stop trying to contrast it with other things and address this problem on its own merits, you should stop trying to provide backhanded apologetics, each of these events are unique situations.

You have a no argument so decide to start talking about Jews and Napoleon and etc. etc. I doubt anyone is taking your babble seriously. Maybe if we leave you to ramble on, you will eventually come back to this topic and this situation.